"Other Men Need Help" creator Mark Pagan talks about the road trip to Minnesota that changed his life, the practice of noticing, and why men should talk about shame. Listen (really - it's so good) to Other Men Need Help wherever you're listening to this. Find more of Mark's work here, and if you have thoughts on anything you heard on this week's episode (or any of our episodes), drop me a line: [email protected]. Thank you for listening to The Midnight Disease - it means a lot.

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