When I first started the Net Zero Business Podcast,, I knew I wanted to get Mark on as he always inspires me with his unique insights. Fresh from a cold water swimming session, he doesn't disappoint – here's what we cover:

• Getting Sustainability stuff done in a large organisation
• Driving change as an external agent
• The threat of misinformation and conspiracy theories
• Friendly fire in the green movement
• Mark's book: You can't make money from a dead planet: the Sustainable method of driving profits
• The use of meditation in innovation and strategy
• Mark's philosophy for Sustainability Consulting

That list is an inadequate summary of a conversation which also includes the meaning of the band name Gorillaz and the origin of the phrase "the penny drops." - do not miss this one!

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