Mark Stein (artist, illustrator) joins Aaron McCall to talk about what it takes to go all in on your work and the cost of pushing too hard. He gets into growing up on cartoons, punk and skate culture, the wake-up calls that changed everything, and why being a lone wolf will only get you so far. They talk about finding creative community, imposter syndrome, getting out from behind your desk, and why if it’s not hard, you’re probably not trying hard enough. This is a conversation about the slow build, the kind that takes until your late 30s to really catch fire, and the kind of stubbornness it takes to keep it burning.

Keep up with Mark Stein:
steinbydesign.com⁠
IG: ⁠@steinbydesign

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This episode is supported by:
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Writer/Producer/Editor/Host:
Aaron McCall
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Co-Host/Sidekick/Photographer:
Joe Matteson
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Music:
"Noises" by Mike Mains & The Branches
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