Rupert Spira and Mark Vernon met for a second conversation, beginning with one of William Blake’s great exclamations of nondual awareness: “Awake! awake O sleeper of the land of shadows, wake! expand! I am in you and you in me, mutual in love divine I am not a God afar off, I am a brother and friend; Within your bosoms I reside, and you reside in me: Lo! we are One” They discussed the meanings of suffering and death that feel so needed and neglected in our times; different possibilities for the experience of time and the value of disagreement, similarly overlooked; the role of the erotic, play and the imagination on this path; and the reality of angels and the guidance of myths.

Episode 38: Mark Vernon (Second Conversation)

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In this episode, author and broadcaster Simon Mundie moderates a delightful conversation with Rupert and Francis Lucille. They discuss a wide range of topics including non-duality, its implications, the similarities and differences between Rupert’s and Francis’s approach, and how their relationship evolved from one of student and teacher to one based on friendship. They delve into their histories and influences, their different styles and ways of expressing the non-dual understanding, and various aspects of fundamental reality. They also explore enlightenment, the ‘hard problem of consciousness’, and the projection of perfection onto those who are considered to be so-called spiritual teachers. In fact, the two assert that rather than being considered teachers, that people view them as friends sharing truth with friends.      

Episode 69: Francis Lucille (Moderated by Simon Mundie)

In the first episode of the newly titled ‘Dialogues on Truth’ podcast, Rupert speaks with Nikki Walton from ‘GoOD Mornings with CurlyNikki’. They discuss the purpose of being, the nature of prayer, and the difference between the thought ‘I am’ and the experience it refers to. They also explore how we can get back to our essence when we are overwhelmed by experience, and why we often return to sorrow and conflict despite knowing that freedom is available to us at all times. Rupert then concludes with a guided meditation.

Episode 68: Nikki Walton

In this episode, Rupert talks with Keith Kristich from closerthanbreath.com. After a brief meditation, they discuss the various traditions and teachers Rupert draws upon for his teachings. They also explore the nature of prayer, contemplating how all we ever experience is God’s being, along with the practical implications of that understanding. The conversation delves into Rupert’s book ‘The Heart of Prayer’ and concludes with a question-and-answer session.  

Episode 67: Keith Kristich

In his latest podcast episode, on the intersection of science and spirituality, Rupert has a discussion with a group of scientists from UC Santa Barbara. They examine various aspects of non-duality such as how a clearer understanding of the consciousness-only model within the scientific community may give us a deeper understanding of reality and how that can help further scientific discovery and progress. The dialogue also covers topics such as the role of self-enquiry in reducing suffering and revealing peace and happiness, the dynamics of enlightenment or awakening and how true philosophy must be verifiable and derived from experience.  

Episode 66: UC Santa Barbara

The latest ‘Rupert Spira Podcast’ episode is with Cory Allen from the ‘And Then It Hit Me’ podcast. The discussion covers topics such as why Rupert prefers the term ‘happiness’ over ‘enlightenment’, how someone who is interested in these matters can begin the process of self-realisation and how personality and identity fit within the non-dual framework. Rupert and Cory also discuss how friendship with those who share the non-dual understanding is a safeguard against falling into detachment and de-personalisation, and how this understanding gives us the best possible chance of leading a full, active, harmonious and enjoyable life.  

Episode 38: Mark Vernon (Second Conversation)

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