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What is marketing, really? If your answer is “social media” or “getting more leads,” this conversation will reset your perspective.

On this episode of the Growth Department podcast, Chelsey sits down with marketing strategist Tamara Ceman to unpack the invisible side of marketing. This is the foundational work that makes campaigns stick and businesses grow. They dive into audience research, positioning, go-to-market strategy, and how to make your first marketing hire with confidence.

If you’ve ever said “I need more leads” without building a marketing foundation, OR if you’re a marketer struggling to explain your value to skeptical leaders, this episode is for you.

Here’s what you’ll hear inside:

• Why most founders misunderstand marketing and how to reframe it
  
  
• The invisible work behind messaging, positioning, and customer research
  
  
• Signs it’s time to hire your first marketing role and what to look for
  
  
• Why tactics by themselves rarely lead to sustainable growth
  
  
• How marketers can rebuild trust with leadership teams
  
  
• Why marketing is a cost of doing business, not an optional extra
  
  

This episode blends tough love with practical advice, giving founders and marketers a clear path to building systems that create growth.

🎧 Tune in if you’re ready to stop throwing spaghetti at the wall and start building real marketing that works.

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