The world is upside down, crazy things are happening, and uncertainty abounds. In an age that seems “crazy town banana pants,” how do you respond and set your small business up for success in marketing, sales, and more?

Listen in as, in a turn of events, TJ Deluccia, interviews our co-founder, Chris Manley, about his experience as a small business owner navigating the uncertainty of the last few years and the uncertainty of Engenius' inception in 2008.