With Martin Fowler and Kent Beck. At The Pragmatic Summit: www.pragmaticsummit.com. See a writeup of the talk: https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/cycles-of-disruption-in-the-tech

Watch the session with Q&A also included: https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/the-pragmatic-summit-recordings

0:00 Intro

2:11 Ideas from Agile/TDD/refactoring that stuck

9:04 Historical analogies: microprocessor, internet, OO, Agile

16:44 Why good practices still fail

21:21 How the AI shift is different

25:50 Engineers as managers of multiple agents

27:11 One-pizza vs two-pizza teams

29:07 Developer experience and agent experience