In this episode, I speak with Mary and Tom Poppendieck about Lean Software Development. We talked about knowledge workers vs. manufacturing, scaling, kaizen and the kata. Mary and Tom also grouped the last 4 decades of software development and give a projection for the decade starting in 2020. I hope you enjoy the listen. If you like to meet Mary and Tom in person, join the Agile Power Week in New York on MAR 3-5. (www.incrementor.com/apwnyc).