Listen in as I chat with one of the smartest and nicest midlifers I’ve ever met, in the longest podcast interview I've ever conducted - a whopping 2 hrs & 32 minutes! Mary's actually responsible for the most enjoyable podcast I’ve ever done - not as the host, but as a guest on her show, the Experience 50 Podcast For Midlife, in November 2019. As she said back then, we’re kindred spirits - like a brother and sister who've never hugged. 

Think of us as a pair of expert midlifers who've come over for a few drinks as we riff about apologizers, failure, and the value of changing your mind, plus a bit of Tim Ferriss thrown in for good measure.