Full episode notes: http://www.occasionallyinteresting.com/episode-14-matt-bowden/

• Matt Bowden is known as many things: Starboy - inter dimensional traveler, Dad, and the Godfather of the legal high.
• Drug classification is based in racism and discrimination 
• Matt’s background - growing up in NZ, being something of a child prodigy
• Is there a correlation between intelligence and a fondness for psychedelics?
• What got him started in wanting to create legal highs - a cousin died and a friend stabbed himself with a samurai sword at a party
• The journey from conceiving the idea of creating a safer alternative, speaking to the government, creating the supply
• Then how other people came in and destroyed this and variations on this drug oversaturated the market and there was no controls to keep it from children
• He went to all those people who copied his drug, and said let’s work together
• Angel Care - Started teaching people about how to take care of each other and how to do drugs the best way - this worked for a while, but then people started taking advantage
• shout out AUM productions around 1 hour
• What happened when he went after the alcohol industry
• Why he had to leave New Zealand and move to Thailand, what that transition was like
• How his children have become rockstars in their own right
• How he manifested his wife and looking for signs
• safe spaces, gen z, freedom of speech
• drugs!

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