Our guest today is Matt Hart, author of the book, Win at All Costs: Inside Nike Running and its Culture of Deception, which is an important book that everyone interested in competitive athletics should read.

We talk to Matt about how he got interested in and involved with this story; whether we should just make all performance-enhancing drugs legal in all sports; who is most to blame for PED use in sports; what Nike’s response to the book has been; Alberto Salazar’s upcoming trial; and more. This is a great conversation that raises a lot of important topics, and after you listen to this conversation, you should read Win at All Costs.

TOPICS & TIMES:

• Matt’s background (3:45)
• The Nike Oregon Project (18:42)
• Legal vs. illegal drugs (23:16)
• Drugs in sports: who is most to blame? (31:54)
• Fact-checking the book (1:06)
• Nike’s response to the book? (1:15:45)
• Alberto Salazar’s upcoming trial (1:18:51)

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