This episode of "The Holy Ordinary" pop-up podcast is part one of a conversation with spiritual theologian Matthew Fox. Matthew is one of my heroes, someone who I consider to be a courageous, creative, spiritual genius. He is the author of 35 books, a leading proponent of creation theology, original blessing instead of original sin, and has had an enormous role in helping recover appreciation of the historic Christian mystics for our lives today, people like Meister Eckhart, Julian of Norwich, Hildegard of Bingen, and more. This first part of our conversation is about his book Prayer: A Radical Response to Life, one of his very first books, which I still think has so much resonance and wisdom for today.

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