In the fourth episode of the series host Julia Korkman talks to composer Matthew Whittall about his journey through music. Later they are joined by fellow composer Alex Freeman to discuss Whittall's piece The Geography of Hope, as well as their thoughts on environmental themes in the arts. A short excerpt from the piece heard during the episode was recorded in Chamber Choir Audite's concert in Taulumäki church in Jyväskylä, Finland on Feb 11th, 2023.

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