<p>Ken Coleman chats with Max Lucado about his new book, <em>You'll Get Through This: Hope and Help for Your Turbulent Times</em>. And Brad talks with former NFL player and now lead pastor of Transformation Church, Derwin Gray.</p>

Ken Coleman chats with Max Lucado about his new book, You'll Get Through This: Hope and Help for Your Turbulent Times. And Brad talks with former NFL player and now lead pastor of Transformation Church, Derwin Gray.

Max Lucado // Derwin Gray: Episode 241

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Max Lucado // Derwin Gray: Episode 241

Max Lucado // Derwin Gray: Episode 241