Garden communicator Kate Copsey's new book is The Downsized Veggie Garden, How to Garden Small Wherever You Live, Whatever Your Space. In it, she shows how people can grow food in almost any kind of space, indoors and out. Mike talks to environmental lawyer Albert Ettinger about why environmental groups lost the recent lawsuit  to stop a frac sand mine from being dug just outside of Starved Rock State Park in Utica, Illinois. He is joined by Cindy Skrukrud of the Illinois Sierra Club and by LaSalle county residents Merlin and Susan Dodd Calhoun.