This core of this week’s Kite Line is a conversation between Anastazia Schmid and Jennifer Fleming about trying to get an education before, during, and after incarceration.

You’ve likely heard Anastazia before on Kite Line, both while she was inside at the Indiana Women’s Prison, and since she was released last year. We will be sharing more of these conversations about prison’s barriers to higher education in upcoming episodes. The interviews on barriers to higher education that we will be airing were made possible through a grant from the Lumina Foundation.

You can listen to previous episodes with Anastazia here, here, and here.