Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

• Skepticism about Software (1:37)
• Building Energy Performance Standards Explained (2:30)
• Discussion on Fine Proceeds (5:04)
• Grocery Store Bag Fee Discussion (9:07)
• Behavior Change and City Policies (11:11)
• Introduction to McGee's Work (13:11)
• Software's Role in Decarbonization (15:15)
• The Role of Measurement and Verification (19:51)
• Integrating Data from Various Sources (23:27)
• Digital Cousins Concept (27:18)
• Challenges with Legacy Systems (30:11)
• The Importance of Data Transparency (35:19)
• Emissions Targets and Corporate Responsibility (40:06)
• Proving the Mission Story (43:41)
• Data Centers and Demand Response (46:55)
• Community Benefits and Utility Negotiations (50:23)
• Hope for the Future (51:02)
• Connecting with McGee and Parting Thoughts (52:04)

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