In the February 5th episode of MC Fireside Chats, host Brian Searl welcomed recurring guests Mark Koep, Founder of Campground Views, and Scott Bahr, Principal of Cairn Consulting Group. The special guest for the episode was Angie Whitcomb, President and CEO of Hospitality Minnesota, marking the show’s first episode under its revamped format. Brian kicked off the discussion with lighthearted remarks about his studio setup before diving into key industry topics. Brian introduced Angie Whitcomb, clarifying her name after a humorous mix-up in his notes. Angie provided an overview of Hospitality Minnesota, a statewide association representing over 3,500 members across restaurants, hotels, resorts, and campgrounds. She shared that the organization was formed through a merger of three separate associations just before the COVID-19 pandemic, which shifted their focus from growth to crisis management. Angie emphasized the association’s advocacy efforts, supporting businesses of all sizes with resources and legislative representation. Mark Koep discussed the current state of the camping industry as it transitions into what he termed a “normal” year following the disruptions caused by COVID-19 and the U.S. election cycle. He noted that many park owners who entered the industry during the pandemic boom are now realizing that attracting guests requires consistent marketing efforts. The industry, he explained, is moving away from the automatic high demand seen during the pandemic and facing a more competitive environment. Scott Bahr provided insights from his ongoing research for the upcoming Outdoor Hospitality Report, scheduled for release later in the spring. He noted that while some traditional outdoor activities are waning, new trends are emerging. Scott compared the post-COVID landscape to a natural disaster recovery, where old structures are cleared, making room for new growth. He highlighted the rising popularity of car camping and the associated products, such as rooftop tents and vehicle-attached shelters, which are reshaping outdoor travel behaviors. The discussion shifted to economic conditions affecting the hospitality industry. Angie highlighted Minnesota’s unique challenges, including aggressive minimum wage laws, the absence of a tip credit, and a persistent labor shortage affecting hospitality businesses. Despite reports of increased revenues, many businesses are struggling with profitability due to rising operational costs. Angie stressed that inflation, wage mandates, and workforce shortages are creating financial pressures for both large and small hospitality businesses. Brian and Mark discussed how economic shifts are influencing consumer behavior. Angie pointed out that travelers are becoming more selective, seeking greater value and unique experiences for their money. This trend is evident across campgrounds, hotels, and restaurants, where guests are looking for personalized, memorable experiences rather than just standard amenities. She shared examples from Minnesota, where businesses that focus on exceptional customer service and meaningful guest interactions are outperforming competitors. The conversation explored how technology, particularly artificial intelligence (AI), is transforming the industry. Brian and Mark emphasized that AI can help campground owners analyze customer data, predict trends, and enhance marketing strategies. Mark suggested that campground operators should actively seek feedback from guests to understand why they choose specific destinations, as this information can inform marketing and service improvements. They discussed how AI tools can simplify this process, making advanced data analysis accessible to small business owners. Angie, Brian, and Mark delved into the broader implications of AI and technological advancements, not just for business operations but also for education and workforce development. Angie expressed concerns about the traditional education system’s ability to prepare students for the rapidly changing job market. Brian highlighted the importance of critical thinking and adaptability, suggesting that future success will depend on individuals’ ability to learn and pivot quickly in response to technological advancements. Toward the end of the episode, Brian posed a thought-provoking question: if business owners could make one change to stand out in 2025, what should it be? Angie responded that the key is not a specific amenity but the intangible element of genuine hospitality. She emphasized that personalized service, emotional connections, and memorable guest experiences are what truly set businesses apart. Mark agreed, adding that understanding guest motivations and adapting to their evolving needs is essential for long-term success. The episode wrapped up with reflections on how the outdoor hospitality industry must adapt to shifting economic conditions, technological changes, and evolving consumer preferences. The conversation underscored the importance of data-driven decision-making, personalized guest experiences, and continuous learning to stay competitive in a rapidly transforming landscape. This episode offers valuable insights for campground owners, hospitality professionals, and industry stakeholders navigating the future of outdoor recreation and hospitality.