Jo and I discuss how men and women deal with sickness. Is it true that women get on with it while men just lie down and do little?

We then discuss the issue of downtime, or rather the inability to experience it.

Somehow we make our way to phones and discuss the upsides and downsides of them, and how much our ages affect our perception.

Next up, will people change for good after lockdown ends forever? What glimmers of hope can we see?

Finally, Jo puts forward her point of view on what should happen at Christmas and how it will affect the NHS.

Music by Tom Munch.