Michael McKay's guest is Michael Møller, known to many of you as the Director-General of the United Nations Office at Geneva up until a year or so ago.

Well, you cannot keep a good and energetic man down! And he has re-emerged as one of the principal leaders of this new organisation that I mentioned which is called the Geneva Science and Diplomacy Anticipator Foundation. Quite a mouthful to say. And so, for short, they call themselves GESDA.