Before we dive into Dara O Briain's, Luke sits down with the original show's co-creator, Steve McNeil, to talk about the show's origins, how it developed into a TV show, and how it all fell apart.

This is a great listen if you're ever interested in the inner-workings of TV, but horrible if you're Steve McNeil and have to relive it all over again.

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