With the fourth installment of The Conjuring franchise just out, Julie and Theresa have decided to go back to the beginning in 2013 when Vera Farmiga and Patrick Wilson made their debut as Loraine and Ed Warren. Join them to talk about why the characters Ed and Loraine are infinitely better than the real people they're based on, just how scary this original movie was, and the ultimate order in which to watch the whole franchise.

CW/TW: brief mentions of suicide and sexual assault

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Theme music: "Book of Shadows" by Houseghost (Rad Girlfriend Records)

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