What does it really mean to find meaning at work? And who’s responsible for it — you, your boss, or does it fall somewhere in between?

In this episode, Kahina, Chief People Officer at Workleap, sits down with Mike Ross — former CHRO at Simons, partner at Juniper, and PhD researcher on the psychology of work — for a conversation about what truly makes work matter. From purpose-driven Gen Z to the misunderstood power of rituals, Mike and Kahina breaks down the difference between meaning in work vs. meaning at work, why culture is more than a buzzword, and how leaders can stop systematizing empathy and start showing up like actual humans.

It’s an invitation to listen, reflect, and tap into the power of collective intelligence — because meaning at work isn’t something we find alone.