In this episode of The Denise Ilitch Show, Denise sits down with one of her dear friends, Colleen Pobur, for a powerful conversation about public service, leadership, culture-building, family, and sports.

This episode is a compelling listen for anyone interested in how government works, what effective leadership and culture-building look like in practice, and how personal values, family, and even sports fandom can fuel a life of meaningful public service.