In this episode of my combined vlog/podcast series of conversations with media scholars, I sit down with Tanja Bosch (Centre for Film & Media Studies, University of Cape Town, South Africa) and Ellie Rennie (RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia). We discuss their extensive scholarship and advocacy of community media, focus on recently published work (such as Tanja's new book Social Media and Everyday Life in South Africa, and Ellie's work on blockchain technology), and explore what it means to be hopeful in our research and teaching on media in society. Recorded on Monday, April 19 (2021); video available on YouTube - search for #deuzevlog. Please also check out other interviews in this series, like, subscribe, share and comment!