Ever tried meditating but ended up spiraling about the 86 texts you haven’t answered—or what the heck to do with your hands? Same.This week, Sheila ditches the ocean waves and empty-space vibes for a better approach: strutting through New York in a killer outfit with full main character energy. Because maybe meditation doesn’t need to be painfully zen—it just needs a rebrand. One that’s fun, playful, and actually feels like you. And who better to lead that rebrand than Sheila?

Small Talk With Sheila is written and hosted by Sheila Kazan. It was produced by Kathleen Speckert and edited, mixed and mastered by Ali Sirois.