In this episode of the PS You're Interesting podcast, Jeff Jenkins speaks with Melissa Lee, Assistant Professor of Politics & International Affairs, Princeton University. They begin discussing a recent project in which Lee and co-author study the change in civic language reflecting the change in thinking about the U.S. as a collection of states to a nation. Moving from there to, they discuss possible new directions in research followed by a conversation about Lee's latest book: Crippling Leviathan: How Foreign Subversion Weakens the State.

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