In this episode,Melissa and I speak about her book with the title "Escaping the Build Trap" and the keynote she is going to deliver at the www.agileday2019.org on NOV 14, 2019. In this podcast, you will hear her share her opinion about output vs. outcome, a customer-centric approach, the role of product managers and product owners. We taker a deeper dive and explored the career path of product management in more detail as well.