In this episode, we talk about early creative days, including teachers and spaces where this felt safe and nurturing. Then we all talk about Tennessee Williams, , Nick Cave, Homer, Nina Simone and Lauren Weinstein and how they take out the garbage.

Tim reads from the biography of Tennessee Williams by John Lahr.

Here are some timestamps:

Episode 6 rough timestamps

00:30 - Early experience of being an artist. Showing or hiding our creative sides when in grade school.

04:30 - Early teachers

05:30 - Art room as sacred space, teachers, school spaces, English teachers

11:15 - Staying mainstream enough to not draw too much attention

12:20 - The maze if at the end there is a desk where I can do what I want to do

13:00 - Tim's bad 3rd grade art teacher who scolded him for drawing a pilgrim with blue hair.

14:45 - Learning to write.

16:00 Learning there was a difference between popular fiction and literary fiction.

27: Horror stories, horror in mythology and folklore and maybe violence and suffering being the basis of most common stories.

27:50: Why does a tornado go down the road?

28:35 Explanations for envy, revenge, pettiness. Trickster stories

30:20 Tennessee Williams . Her sister's impulses and his impulses. His plays were ways to work through desire and to explain .

34:45 More about Tim and Tom trying to remember what they've seen/read about Tennessee Williams

36:00 The Nick Cave's Red Hand Files, Cave on Kanye West, and great art by bad people

38:00 How does Homer take out the garbage?

38:45: Nina Simone and the highs and lows.

41:30: Tom on Lauren Weinstein's

44:00 Tim's Reading Corner: From the biography of Tennessee Williams by John Lahr

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