The Men, Hardship and Triump podcast series is a series of interviews with men as a resource for other men navigating the minefields of modern life. The men interviewed in this series talked about the difficulties of their lives, how they got through them and looking back, what strategies they used to survive the hard times. 

Also a resource for men who are suffering from being separated from their children so that despite their suffering, they will still be able to do what is right by the children regardless of their circumstance as well as for people who grew up in less than ideal family conditions to not repeat the mistakes of their parents to break their intergenerational cycle of suffering.

In this episode, Clement shoots the breeze with his high school friend Steven Prescott, discussing their friendship, the hardships he went through in life and the strategies he used to not only survive, but to triumph against them. 

Steven discusses arriving in Australia in the early 1980s as a young teenager with little English, difficulty with being unemployed and being married early and the subsequent marriage breakdown and how he got to where he is today, a very contented man.