Recorded live at the Wild Goose Festival, this special episode of On the Barstool with the Pub Pastor captures a deep, vulnerable conversation between Gayle and beloved advocate Helen Ryde — just days before Helen’s passing.

Together, we wrestle with the tensions of inclusion, identity, and living authentically within our faith. Helen shares powerful stories — from engaging Baptist pastors in unexpected dialogue to walking into spaces where they weren’t sure they’d be welcomed — and Gayle reflects on the sacred messiness of loving God and loving others when beliefs collide.

This isn’t a polished interview; it’s an invitation. To listen. To question. To stretch. And maybe, just maybe, to plant a seed of grace in places we least expect it.