Meta-Conscious Leaders

A Master’s Programme for Leading Through Change

AI can give leaders more answers than ever. But without clarity, purpose and awareness, more answers can simply create more noise.

In this conversation, Greg Suart is joined by Peter Matthies, founder of the Conscious Business Institute, and Carlos Sarmiento, Culture, Diversity & Inclusion Director at SLB.

Together, they explore why meaningful transformation begins within: through self-awareness, presence, purpose and the ability to reflect rather than simply react.

Carlos shares how these principles can be applied within the realities of a complex global organisation, while Peter introduces four levels of working with AI—moving beyond efficiency towards purpose, human flourishing and wisdom.

Their central message is clear: AI should serve consciously chosen human purposes, not quietly determine those purposes for us.

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🌱🌈CBI Masters Conscious Business programme🌱🌈

I strongly recommend exploring the Conscious Business Master Program. It offers far more than another set of leadership tools: it is an opportunity to deepen self-awareness, clarify purpose and translate personal development into greater trust, stronger relationships and lasting organisational change.

For leaders seeking to navigate the age of AI with humanity, wisdom and conscious intent, it offers a timely and important pathway.

Conscious Business Master Program: https://consciousbusinessinstitute.com/master-program/

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FOR FURTHER INFORMATION:

Conscious Business Master Program: https://consciousbusinessinstitute.com/master-program/

Conscious Business Institute: https://consciousbusinessinstitute.com/

Peter Matthies on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-matthies

Carlos Sarmiento on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlos-dar%C3%ADo-sarmiento-rivadeneira-8080a26

SLB: https://www.slb.com/

KEY TAKEAWAYS

- Sustainable change begins with consciousness—not simply new behaviours or processes.

- Conscious leaders create space to reflect, act from purpose and consider a wider circle of relationships.

- Culture is shaped by what leaders embody, encourage, reward and tolerate.

- AI accelerates the culture already present. Without awareness, it can amplify overwhelm, disconnection and short-term thinking.

- Used with purpose and discernment, AI can become a mirror, partner and amplifier of human potential.

- The capacity to bring together different perspectives and build collective intelligence will be increasingly important.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Opening reflections

00:57 Introduction

03:00 Carlos’s journey towards conscious leadership

08:28 Peter’s personal quest and the founding of CBI

11:50 What conscious leadership means

18:48 Why traditional leadership formulas no longer fit

20:39 Culture, trust and the leader’s example

23:52 The Conscious Business Master Program

31:49 Applying the principles within SLB

44:29 AI, efficiency and the risk of over-optimisation

47:22 Four levels of leading with AI

57:21 From personal change to organisational impact

59:40 What conscious business makes possible

1:02:53 Leading with head, heart and guts

1:05:24 An invitation to commercially minded leaders

#ConsciousLeadership #ConsciousBusiness #AILeadership #HumanCentredAI #SelfAwareness #CollectiveIntelligence #OrganisationalCulture #PurposeDrivenLeadership #FutureOfLeadership

Dr Victoria Hurth is one of the clearest and most determined advocates I have encountered for change that is not cosmetic, incremental or confined to business – but fundamental, systemic and grounded in how we govern ourselves, our organisations and our economies.

In this powerful conversation, Victoria argues that many of the crises we face are not failures of intention so much as failures of the decision-making systems we have built. If financial self-interest remains the organising logic, sustainability efforts risk becoming little more than sticking plasters.

Her alternative is Purpose Governance: aligning decisions at every level with long-term wellbeing for all.

We explore the central thesis of her book Beyond Profit (which she co-authored with Ben Renshaw and Lorenzo Fioramonti) - the shift from Logic 1 to Logic 3, the relationship between macro, meso and micro change, the role of ISO 37000 and the emerging ISO 37011, and why worldview, philosophy and even Stoicism matter to leadership.

This is a conversation about changing the architecture beneath the system – not simply improving the outcomes it currently produces.

FOR MORE INFORMATION

Dr Victoria Hurth: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-victoria-hurth/

LI Group ISO 37011: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13091442/

LI Group Beyond Profit: Purpose-Driven Leadership for a Wellbeing Economy https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13085230/

British Standard PAS 808:2022: https://knowledge.bsigroup.com/products/purpose-driven-organizations-worldviews-principles-and-behaviours-for-delivering-sustainability-guide

Unleashing Culture paper for CISL: https://www.cisl.cam.ac.uk/resources/unleashing-sustainable-business

BSI Post (public consultation 28th Sep: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-purpose-driven-ugcPost-7495085278370586624-UH0n/

KEY TAKEAWAYS

Why financial self-interest has become embedded in modern decision-making

Why ESG and “enlightened self-interest” may still fall short

How Purpose Governance can reshape organisations from the inside out

Why governance applies not only to institutions, but to ourselves

How worldview and Stoicism influence the way leaders choose and act

Why ISO 37011 could become an important framework for purpose-driven organisations.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Why our decision-making systems are failing

01:10 Introduction

03:51 Victoria’s story – purpose and service

13:23 Why Beyond Profit?

18:26 Logic 1, Logic 2 and Logic 3

46:56 Macro, meso, micro – and Purpose Governance

56:32 ISO 37000, PAS 808 and ISO 37011

1:10:53 Worldviews and leadership

1:19:54 Stoicism and self-governance

1:26:38 Purpose, culture and leadership in a VUCA world

1:33:01 Final reflections – purpose and curiosity

#PurposeGovernance #PurposeDrivenLeadership #WellbeingEconomy #Governance #SystemsChange #ConsciousLeadership #BeyondProfit #MetaConsciousLeaders

Anthropy - A Living Laboratory for Collective Intelligence.

What happens when more than 2,000 leaders from business, government, education, academia, the arts, charities and civil society leave their titles - and their sector silos - at the door?

Lucy Knill is CEO of Anthropy, the UK’s largest gathering of future makers. After 25 years in events and communications, Covid brought home to her the irreplaceable power of human connection—and strengthened her resolve to put that experience to more purposeful use.

An introduction to Anthropy founder John O’Brien, and a childhood connection with Eden Project co-founder Sir Tim Smit, brought her journey full circle.

In this conversation, Lucy describes Anthropy as a place where diverse perspectives meet, challenge one another and create possibilities that no single discipline could reach alone: a living laboratory for collective intelligence.

We explore whether inspiring conversations can translate into meaningful change; why leadership is shifting from control and ego towards stewardship, responsibility and kindness; and why business leaders have an exceptional opportunity to help rebuild trust. Lucy also explains Anthropy’s four lenses - People, Place, Prosperity and Global Perspective - and its framework for moving from individual agency to collective impact.

FOR MORE INFORMATION

Anthropy: https://anthropy.uk/

EARLY BIRD TICKETS FOR Anthropy27 - Sept only: https://anthropy.uk/national-gathering/

Book directly: https://eu.launchpad.swapcard.com/Anthropy27/registrations/Start

2026 Edelman Trust Barometer: https://www.edelman.com/trust/2026/trust-barometer

Anthropy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/anthropy-uk/

Lucy Knill on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucy-knill-7060b24/

HIGHLIGHTS

* Lucy’s unexpected path from the events industry to purpose-led leadership

* How Anthropy turns cross-sector dialogue into connection, collaboration and action

* The trust deficit - and why employers and CEOs carry growing responsibility

* Stewardship, honest communication and emerging leaders

* Why competence and kindness must work together

* Profit as the oxygen of business, rather than its purpose

* Small actions, multiplied: “What can you do? Do it.”

CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction: why collective intelligence matters

03:45 Lucy’s path to Anthropy

14:00 Synchronicity, agency and purpose

19:38 What future are we trying to build?

22:13 Anthropy’s four questions

26:17 Trust, purpose and business responsibility

31:20 Leadership as stewardship

34:37 From conversation to practical change

44:35 The Eden Project: where connection becomes action

47:15 Emerging leaders and multigenerational wisdom

50:18 Anthropy27: an invitation to take part

52:43 Hope, concern and inspiration

1:00:16 Advice for purpose-led entrepreneurs

1:02:29 Small actions, big change#Anthropy #Anthropy27 #CollectiveIntelligence #Leadership #ConsciousLeadership #PurposeDrivenLeadership #Stewardship #Trust #BusinessForGood #FutureOfBritain

**Why do some leaders sense that business is capable of far more than simply generating profit? Why are increasing numbers questioning the worldview that has shaped our economies, organisations and cultures for centuries? And what if a different future is already emerging?**

In this special solo episode, Greg Suart shares the story behind **Meta-Conscious Leaders** - the experiences, questions and insights that led to its creation, and the vision that continues to shape its evolution.

Drawing on his own journey, including profound experiences of consciousness, Greg explores four lenses through which to understand our times:

• The meta-crisis facing humanity and why it calls for a fundamentally different response.

• Why business has become one of the most powerful forces shaping civilisation.

• How our worldview acts as the hidden operating system behind leadership, culture and economics.

• Why the future of business depends not only on changing systems, but on transforming how we understand ourselves and lead.

Along the way he reflects on purpose, service, consciousness, regeneration, and the remarkable leaders already demonstrating that another way is possible.

Meta-Conscious Leaders exists to illuminate these pathfinders and to support business leaders who wish to become a force for good in service of humanity and the natural world.

If this conversation resonates with you, you're warmly invited to become part of the growing Meta-Conscious Leaders community.

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## KEY TAKEAWAYS

* Why Greg founded Meta-Conscious Leaders.

* The four lenses through which to understand today's challenges.

* Why worldview shapes business, leadership and culture.

* The difference between profit as purpose and profit as necessity.

* Why today's challenges call for a redesign rather than a reconfiguration.

* The emerging shift from materialism towards a consciousness-centred worldview.

* Why transforming business begins with transforming ourselves.

* How community helps leaders remain true to their deeper purpose.

* Why Greg is more hopeful today than ever before.

CHAPTERS

00:00 – Introduction & Why Meta-Conscious Leaders Exists

00:26 – My Personal Journey

04:35 – Lens One: Humanity's Meta-Crisis09:17 – Lens Two: Business Is Shaping the Future

12:52 – Lens Three: Worldview – The Hidden Operating System

25:24 – Lens Four: To Transform Business, Leaders Must Transform

27:15 – What Meta-Conscious Leaders Is Becoming

29:27 – Invitation to Join the Community---

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Joel Monk on Consciousness, Wisdom, AI and the Future of Leadership

In this profound and practical conversation, Greg Suart is joined by Joel Monk, leadership coach, facilitator, teacher and co-founder of Coaches Rising.

What if leadership is not primarily about having the answers?

What if the most important capacity a leader can develop is the ability to listen — not only to data, strategy and analysis, but to a deeper intelligence that emerges through awareness, embodiment and relationship?

Joel's journey has been anything but conventional. From art school and nightclub DJing to a spiritual pilgrimage through India and decades of work exploring human development, coaching, consciousness and transformational leadership, he has devoted his life to understanding how people access deeper levels of wisdom and possibility.

Together Greg and Joel explore:

- Why many leaders are trapped in a self-improvement paradigm

- The difference between knowledge and wisdom

- How intuition can inform decision-making

- Why uncertainty may be one of leadership's greatest gifts

- The role of embodiment in effective leadership

- Internal Family Systems (IFS) and the hidden drivers of behaviour

- Consciousness and the emerging post-materialist worldview

- Interdependence, systems thinking and organisational design

- AI and what it reveals about uniquely human capacities

- Leadership as relationship rather than control

- The question: "What does life want with me?"

At a time when technology is accelerating, complexity is increasing and certainty is becoming harder to find, Joel argues that the future belongs not to those who can process the most information, but to those who can cultivate wisdom, presence and deeper forms of knowing.

This is a conversation for business leaders, entrepreneurs, coaches and anyone interested in the evolution of leadership in a rapidly changing world.

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FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT Joel Monk:

Coaches Rising: https://www.coachesrising.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joel-monk-33952613/

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CHAPTERS

00:00 – The inner and outer journey of leadership

03:46 – Joel's path from DJ and artist to leadership coach

08:47 – India, awakening and the dissolution of self

15:39 – What is "deeper intelligence"?

18:04 – Knowledge versus wisdom in the age of AI

26:32 – Nervous systems, embodiment and leadership

27:51 – From self-improvement to unfoldment

30:26 – Internal Family Systems (IFS) explained

35:07 – Decision-making in uncertainty

40:29 – Bernardo Kastrup and consciousness as fundamental

47:39 – From separation to interdependence

55:29 – Leadership as relationship rather than individual performance

59:50 – Organisations as living ecosystems

1:04:56 – AI and the future of human leadership

1:08:06 – "Life, what do you want with me?"

1:09:37 – What consciousness is asking of leaders today

"The deeper question is whether human consciousness can evolve faster than the systems, fears and identities that keep reproducing conflict." — Fawzia Koofi

At a time when division appears to be deepening across politics, business, communities and culture, former Afghan parliamentarian and peace negotiator Fawzia Koofi invites us to look beyond the visible manifestations of conflict and examine the forces that give rise to it.

Fawzia's life has unfolded at the centre of some of the defining struggles of our age. As one of Afghanistan's most prominent political leaders, a former Vice President of the National Assembly, women's rights advocate, and member of the Afghan peace negotiation team, she has spent decades working in environments shaped by violence, instability, competing identities and profound inequality.

Drawing upon her experiences negotiating directly with the Taliban, surviving assassination attempts, representing women and victims of war, and continuing her humanitarian work from exile, Fawzia offers a rare perspective on leadership under extreme pressure.

Fawzia answers questions of the nature of conflict, the meaning of peace, the role of justice, and the qualities required of leaders navigating a world of increasing complexity.

The conversation moves beyond geopolitics into questions that affect every organisation, every community and every leader.

~ How do we create space for different realities to coexist?

~ What happens when power is unequal?

~ How do we work with anger without becoming defined by it?

~ What role do purpose, faith, listening and human dignity play in building trust?

And perhaps most importantly:

~ Can human consciousness mature quickly enough to meet the challenges of our time?

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ABOUT FAWZIA KOOFI

Fawzia Koofi is one of Afghanistan's most distinguished political leaders and internationally recognised advocates for democracy, peace and women's rights.

Born in Badakhshan Province, she rose from a childhood shaped by war and discrimination to become the first woman elected to the Afghan Parliament from her province and later Vice President of the National Assembly.

For more than two decades she worked at the heart of Afghan public life, championing education, healthcare, human rights and the inclusion of women in political decision-making.

Following the collapse of the Afghan Republic in 2021, she continued her advocacy from exile whilst remaining deeply connected to events inside her homeland.

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FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT Fawzia Koofi:

Website: https://fawziakoofi.org

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fawziakoofi/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fawziakoofi77/?hl=en

SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast is sponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk

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CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction — Conflict, Consciousness and Peace-Making

02:40 Why This Conversation Matters for Leaders

03:40 Understanding the Nature of Modern Conflict

06:00 Leadership in an Era of Complexity and Change

12:00 Is Conflict an Opportunity for Growth?

17:20 Justice, Fairness and the Roots of Conflict

18:15 What Is Peace?

23:45 Peace, Leadership and Organisational Culture

25:40 Anger, Frustration and the Human Condition

30:30 Negotiating with the Taliban

34:50 Creating Space and Finding Your Voice

35:15 Women, Humanity and Peace-Building

39:10 Preparing Yourself for Difficult Conversations

42:30 Faith, Purpose and Inner Strength

49:30 Forgiveness, Retaliation and Moral Courage

53:50 Success, Failure and Long-Term Change

55:40 Consciousness, Intention and Leadership Presence

01:02:20 Negotiating When Power Is Unequal

01:06:00 Humanity, Values and Standing on the Right Side of History

01:08:25 Final Reflections for Leaders

01:09:40 Supporting Fawzia's Work

01:11:05 Closing Thoughts

What place does love have in leadership and organisations?

Can love coexist with performance, accountability and business reality — or is it something modern workplaces have suppressed?

In this profound and deeply human conversation, Greg Suart speaks with leadership consultant, coach and researcher Helena Clayton about her award-winning inquiry into “Leading with Love” and why conversations about love may be among the most important conversations we can now have.

Helena Clayton is a leadership and organisational development consultant with more than 25 years’ experience across UK organisations including the UK Civil Service, Jaguar Land Rover, Ernst & Young and London Business School.

Formerly a director at Roffey Park Institute, Helena’s research explores the role of love, fear, vulnerability and human connection in leadership and organisational life.

Together, Greg and Helena explore:

• Why love is universally recognised but culturally suppressed

• The role of fear in organisational life

• Love as a leadership practice rather than sentiment

• Why vulnerability is often perceived as weakness

• The tension between humanity and extractive business culture

• Whether love may be fundamental to consciousness and reality itself

• How organisations might become more human, connected and alive.

This is not a sentimental conversation.

It is a radical inquiry into the future of leadership, work and human flourishing.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION about Helena Clayton

Her website: https://helenaclayton.co.uk

🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helena-clayton-b245553/

SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast is sponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk

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• Leadership and love

• Fear in organisations

• Psychological safety

• Conscious leadership

• Vulnerability and creativity

• Organisational culture

• Meta-consciousness

• Human-centred business

• Emotional intelligence

• Spirituality and leadership

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⏱️ CHAPTERS

00:00 — When “love taps you on the shoulder”

00:41 — Introduction to Helena Clayton & the inquiry into love

02:21 — Why love in leadership was once taboo

04:10 — Personal development, healing & loveless workplaces

05:37 — Love as purpose, calling and shadow work

07:16 — “We are beings of love” & the state of the world

09:14 — What does “love” actually mean in leadership?

10:35 — The five forms of love identified in Helena’s research

13:38 — Vulnerability, creativity & “Acts of Love for Tough Times”

15:00 — Self-love, radical acceptance & loving kindness practice

17:34 — Love as a verb, presence and radiance

20:44 — Love as a wide-angled lens

21:16 — Is love the fabric of reality?

23:16 — Why love matters in organisations

25:05 — The Roffey Park research: 90% say love matters

27:53 — The business case for love

30:55 — What does a loving organisation look like?

33:06 — What creates unloving organisations?

36:10 — Love, capitalism & cultural suppression

38:31 — Why love threatens organisational norms

40:30 — Love, trauma & healing in organisations

41:25 — Emotional intelligence, empathy & masculinity

42:58 — Fear as the “water table” of organisations

44:12 — Fear, separation & consciousness

45:21 — “Love is universally recognised but culturally suppressed”

46:23 — Helena’s simple daily practice: “Is this loving?”

46:52 — Where to find Helena Clayton

47:40 — Greg’s reflections & closing thoughts

Peter Merry on Consciousness, Emergence & the Future of Leadership.

What if leadership is evolving in lock step with humanity?In this fascinating and wide-ranging conversation, Peter Merry joins Meta-Conscious Leaders to explore the emerging frontier of leadership, consciousness, systems thinking, and human evolution.

Peter is a futures thinker, systems innovator, author of Evolutionary Leadership, co-founder of Wyrd Technologies, and founder of the Science & Consciousness Conference.

Together with Greg Suart they explore why today’s leadership challenges are not merely technical, but developmental - and why the future may belong to leaders capable of integrating rational intelligence with intuition, presence, coherence, and deeper awareness.

Covering:

• The evolution of human consciousness and leadership

• Spiral Dynamics and developmental psychology

• Measurable coherence in groups

• Technologies designed to detect the effects of consciousness itself

Peter also shares insights into:

• Synchronicity and emergence,

• The breakdown and breakthrough of our current systems,

• The rise of “whole performers” over “high performers”,

• How future leadership may increasingly involve hosting the conditions for collective intelligence and emergence.

Peter also talks about his extraordinary work with:

• Wyrd Lights, Wyrdoscope

• The legacy of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) Lab,

• Experiments suggesting that human consciousness measurably affects random systems and group coherence.

This is a profound and yet deeply scientific exploration of: leadership, consciousness, evolution, interconnectedness, and the future of humanity itself.

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For more information about Peter Merry

He is the author of: Evolutionary Leadership; Leading from the Field; Why Work? (links below)

Peter is also:

• Co-founder & CEO of Wyrd Technologies

• Co-founder of the Science & Consciousness Conference

• A long-time contributor to Ubiquity University

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Links

Links🌐 Peter Merry: https://petermerry.org/

🌐 Book: Evolutionary Leaders: https://petermerry.org/evolutionary-l...

🌐 Wyrd Technologies: https://gowyrd.org/tech/ ubiquity

🌐 Ubiquity University: https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/

🌐 Science and Consciousness Conference: https://broughtonsanctuary.co.uk/retr...

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Key Takeaways

• Leadership evolves as human consciousness evolves

• The future demands leaders who can hold complexity, paradox, and uncertainty

• Rational intelligence alone is no longer sufficient

• Presence, intuition, and coherence are increasingly essential leadership capacities

• Younger generations are rapidly moving beyond purely profit-driven organisational models

• Consciousness may not merely be subjective - it may have measurable effects in systems and groups

• The future of leadership may be less about control and more about creating conditions for emergence

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Chapters

00:00 – Emergence, consciousness & nonlinear change

02:17 – Peter Merry’s background & entrepreneurial journey

06:41 – Why Evolutionary Leadership matters now

08:58 – Humanity at a nonlinear tipping point

15:59 – Spiral Dynamics & the evolution of leadership

27:43 – Whole Performers vs High Performers

31:02 – Characteristics of elevated leadership consciousness

36:59 – Wyrd Technologies & measurable coherence

40:44 – PEAR Lab & consciousness research

49:20 – Group coherence, emergence & the Wyrd Light

56:21 – The future applications of consciousness technology

58:34 – Presence, mindfulness & inner development

01:00:26 – Science & Consciousness Conference

01:03:13 – Peter’s advice for leaders under pressure

01:05:10 – Final reflections & closing thoughts

In this powerful Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast Zen Master Roshido (Juergen Wollborn) shares with Greg Suart a rare journey: from landscape architect and founder of a multi-million Euro business to Zen Master – integrating deep spiritual awakening with real-world business leadership.

From a childhood moment of awe in the forest to decades of disciplined Zen practice, Jürgen reveals how inner stillness became the foundation for outer success — and ultimately, conscious exit.

This is not a story about escaping business. It’s about transforming how we show up within it.

In a world of rising pressure, noise, and distraction, Jürgen offers a radically different path:

👉 Lead from presence, not pressure

👉 Build people, not just profit

👉 Act from being, not constant doing

This is leadership for the next era.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION

Juergen Roshido Wollborn: https://roshido.org/

https://www.wollborn.com/

On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juergen-roshido-wollborn/

SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast is sponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk

______________________________________⚡ KEY TAKEAWAYS

• True leadership begins with inner development, not external control

• Meditation builds focus, resilience, and the ability to move through discomfort

• Conscious businesses invest in people as the real capital

• Presence can be embedded into physical environments, culture, and decision-making

• Growth is not just professional — it is deeply personal and human

• “Doing” without “being” leads to burnout and fragmentation

• The future of leadership is integration — not separation — of inner and outer worlds

• Stillness is not passive — it is the source of clarity and power

• Pressure in the world is increasing — and so is the need for consciousness

• Leadership is evolving from control → awareness → creation

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00:00 – Introduction: Business Meets Consciousness

02:00 – A Childhood Awakening in Nature

05:00 – Discovering Zen & Early Training

09:00 – Building a Business Alongside Spiritual Practice

13:00 – From Employee to Entrepreneur

30:00 – Scaling the Business & Finding a Mentor

34:00 – Meditation as a Leadership Advantage

38:00 – People as the True Capital

44:00 – Designing Zen Spaces & Healing Environments

49:00 – The Decision to Sell the Business

52:00 – What Zen Really Is (Beyond Religion)

01:08:00 – Awakening & States of Consciousness

01:20:00 – Identity, Ego & Seeing Through the Illusion

01:25:00 – The Pressure of Modern Life

01:27:00 – Doing vs Being in Leadership

01:32:00 – The Role of Leaders in Today’s World

What does it truly mean to lead in a world that feels increasingly fragmented, uncertain, and in flux?

In this episode of Meta-Conscious Leaders, Greg speaks with Duro Oye—founder of 20/20 Levels—a pioneering organisation that has empowered thousands of young people to unlock their potential and step into meaningful futures. But this conversation goes far beyond youth development.

Duro works at the sharp edge of society, where systemic challenges meet lived experience. And what he reveals is both confronting and deeply hopeful: the greatest gap in society is not one of skill—but of self-awareness.

From his early life growing up on a council estate, to a profound journey of identity, faith, and purpose, Duro shares how leadership begins not with what we do—but with who we are. His work challenges the assumptions we hold about young people, opportunity, and the structures that shape our lives.

Together, we explore a world in transition—one that may feel like breakdown, but could equally be an invitation to radical change. What if the systems we’ve built are no longer fit for purpose? What if leadership itself must evolve?

This is a conversation about identity, consciousness, business, and society—but above all, it is about contribution.

Because as Duro reminds us: “My life is not solely about me… but about the impact I leave on the world.”

Key Takeaways

• The greatest gap in society is not skill, but self-awareness

• Leadership begins with Being, not Doing

• Identity is the foundation of purpose and meaningful action

• Many systems were built without developing the people within them

• We are living in a time that demands choice, courage, and clarity of belief

• Radical change requires questioning everything we assume to be true

• Young people don’t lack talent—they lack access and opportunity

• Low expectation culture is one of the most damaging societal forces

• Business must evolve from profit-only to purpose-driven impact

• The future is built when wisdom (elders) meets energy (youth)

• Intergenerational collaboration is a massive, underutilised opportunity

• True leadership is selfless, empathetic, and service-oriented

⏱️ Chapter Breakdown (Approximate Timings)

00:00 — Opening & Introduction

02:20 — Early Life & Identity Formation

05:00 — Faith, Belief & Personal Purpose

6:30 — Humanity at a Crossroads: Crisis or Awakening?

11:30 — Radical Change: Rethinking Everything

14:30 — Education System: Fit for Purpose?

17:30 — Opportunity vs Talent: The Real Gap

20:00 — Self-Awareness & Identity as Foundations

24:00 — Purpose, Legacy & Generational Responsibility

29:00 — Wealth, Power & Intergenerational Imbalance

34:00 — Consciousness Shift: Who Must We Become?

38:00 — Eldership & Youthship: Building the Future Together

42:30 — Business, Purpose & Leadership Responsibility

47:00 — Empathy & the Evolution of Leadership

50:00 — Engaging the Next Generation (20/20 Levels)

53:00 — Closing Reflections