Meta-Conscious Leaders

What changes when leaders recognise that they are not separate individuals competing within a mechanistic world, but expressions of a deeper, intelligent field of consciousness?

In this second conversation on Meta-Conscious Leaders, Tom Fortes Mayer describes reality through the metaphor of the ocean and the wave. Each of us is distinct, yet never separate from the greater whole:

“We are of the field of oneness. We are of that intelligence, and we can tune into that.”

For Tom, this is more than a spiritual philosophy. It informs his practical work with entrepreneurs and business leaders, helping them recognise the unconscious conditioning that shapes their decisions, relationships and organisations.

His provocatively titled new book, *Don’t F*ck Up Your Life*, explores the survival rules formed in childhood that can lead even highly intelligent and successful people to undermine what they consciously want to create.

Tom argues that these patterns cannot be overcome through greater discipline, achievement or an internal war against ourselves. They need to be understood, met with compassion and reintegrated.

When leaders undertake this work, their leadership begins to emerge from a different inner ground: less driven by fear, inadequacy and the need for recognition, and increasingly shaped by presence, truth, love and joy.

Greg and Tom explore how leaders can recalibrate their practice by listening more deeply to the unconscious, discerning between egoic impulse and what is genuinely seeking to emerge, and sensing whether a decision carries contraction or expansion.

Who is Tom Fortes Mayer?

Tom Fortes Mayer is a therapist, author, speaker, adviser to company boards and creator of the FreeMind Process.

In his twenties, Tom underwent a life-changing awakening experience of happiness, connection and oneness that overturned his previously sceptical view of spirituality and set him on a lifelong exploration of the human condition and transformation.

Today, he works with entrepreneurs, senior leaders and organisations to uncover the unconscious motivations operating beneath behaviour and decision-making. His approach combines psychology, behavioural science, spiritual insight, intention, music and direct work with the unconscious.

This conversation follows Tom’s previous appearance on Meta-Conscious Leaders, in which he shared his transformative epiphany and his framework of peace, power and purpose.

Further information:

Tom Fortes Mayer: https://www.tomfortesmayer.com

The Freedom organisation: https://www.thefreedom.co

Don’t F*ck Up Your Life: https://www.thefreedom.co/dfuyl/

Tom Fortes Mayer on LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/tomfortesmayer

Tom’s previous conversation on Meta-Conscious Leaders: Epiphany & Leadership: https://youtu.be/dRzOBiCqzJ8

Chapter headings

00:00 – Opening reflections: consciousness and leadership

00:38 – Welcome and introduction

02:26 – Tom’s life-changing awakening

03:20 – Why Tom wrote *Don’t F*ck Up Your Life*

07:13 – How childhood survival rules become embedded

12:03 – Can we really mess up our lives?

17:13 – Avoiding the truth and missing full self-expression

19:47 – How self-sabotage appears in senior leadership

23:03 – The curse of the genius leader

28:14 – Inexplicable decisions, identity and destructive behaviour

32:15 – The ego, the soul and the body as battleground

35:10 – Intention and the genius of the unconscious

46:11 – Consciousness, matter and the field of oneness

49:45 – Leading from the core values of truth and love

55:19 – Awakening, purpose and presence

57:11 – Emergent leadership and discerning what is being called for

1:04:21 – From self-sabotage to self-stewardship

1:08:03 – Meeting the inner saboteur with compassion

#MetaConsciousLeaders #ConsciousLeadership #Leadership #FieldOfOneness #Consciousness #SelfSabotage #SelfStewardship #Purpose #PersonalTransformation #BusinessLeadership #TomFortesMayer

Dr Roz Savage MBE MP has lived an extraordinary life: management consultant, world-record-breaking ocean rower, environmental campaigner, author, thinker — and now Member of Parliament, UK.

She is the first and still the only woman to row solo across the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Oceans. But this conversation is not really about rowing.

It is about what those experiences revealed: courage, solitude, failure, intuition, consciousness, purpose — and what leadership looks like when a life is placed in service of something larger than oneself.

At Meta-Conscious Leaders we seek out remarkable people whose lived experience challenges conventional assumptions about who we are, how reality works, and what leadership is now being asked to become. Roz is an extraordinary exemplar: blending philosophical and spiritual inquiry with practical action and service.

Greg Suart explores with Roz, being alone versus being lonely; the inner critic; fear and courage; trusting head, heart and gut; positive tipping points; and whether today’s crises are symptoms of a deeper crisis of worldview and disconnection.

Roz also describes a profound unitive experience in the Pacific

— feeling both utterly insignificant and completely connected

— and reflects on the writings of Aldous Huxley, Bernardo Kastrup and Donald Hoffman.

A defining moment comes when she recalls the obituary exercise that changed her life. Looking back, she describes it as though she had asked her soul:

**“What did you come here for?”**

The answer gave her a different North Star — away from material success alone and towards learning, evolution, contribution and higher purpose.

IN THIS CONVERSATION

• Courage without fearlessness

• Executive loneliness and resourceful solitude

• Failure as learning

• Head, heart and gut in decision-making

• Purpose as a North Star

• Worldview, consciousness and interconnectedness

• Leadership as service to a higher good

QUOTE RE COMMITMENT

"Until one is committed there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness.

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation) there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: That the moment one definitely commits oneself then Providence moves too.

"All sorts of things occur to help one that would never have otherwise occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the decision raising in one's favour all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way. I have learned a deep respect for one of Goethe's couplets:

"'Whatever you can do or dream you can begin it, Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."

W. H, Murray, Scottish Himalaya expedition

FURTHER INFORMATION

Roz Savage and ocean rowing & books: https://www.rozsavage.com/

Roz Savage as MP for South Cotswolds, UK: https://rozsavagemp.uk/

Tough Girl Podcast: https://toughgirlchallenges.libsyn.com/tough-girl-roz-savage-mbe-first-woman-ever-to-row-solo-across-3-oceans-the-atlantic-pacific-indian

Ocean River Institute: https://www.oceanriver.org/podcast/11-roz-savage-paddling-the-pacific-ocean-rowing-towards-a-greener-world/

CHAPTERS

0:00 What did you come here for?

03:01 From business to a different way of navigating

06:57 The calling to row the oceans

12:03 A unitive experience in the Pacific

17:10 Alone vs lonely

24:31 The polycrisis

37:01 Worldview and materialism

45:02 Ocean experience into leadership

51:29 Executive loneliness and solitude

57:49 Courage, fear and decisions

1:01:27 Purpose as the North Star

1:04:44 “I asked my soul what it came here for”

1:10:20 A message to emerging leaders

#MetaConsciousLeaders #RozSavage #Leadership #ConsciousLeadership #Purpose #Consciousness #OceanRowing #HigherPurpose

A Master’s Programme for Leading Through Change

AI can give leaders more answers than ever. But without clarity, purpose and awareness, more answers can simply create more noise.

In this conversation, Greg Suart is joined by Peter Matthies, founder of the Conscious Business Institute, and Carlos Sarmiento, Culture, Diversity & Inclusion Director at SLB.

Together, they explore why meaningful transformation begins within: through self-awareness, presence, purpose and the ability to reflect rather than simply react.

Carlos shares how these principles can be applied within the realities of a complex global organisation, while Peter introduces four levels of working with AI—moving beyond efficiency towards purpose, human flourishing and wisdom.

Their central message is clear: AI should serve consciously chosen human purposes, not quietly determine those purposes for us.

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🌱🌈CBI Masters Conscious Business programme🌱🌈

I strongly recommend exploring the Conscious Business Master Program. It offers far more than another set of leadership tools: it is an opportunity to deepen self-awareness, clarify purpose and translate personal development into greater trust, stronger relationships and lasting organisational change.

For leaders seeking to navigate the age of AI with humanity, wisdom and conscious intent, it offers a timely and important pathway.

Conscious Business Master Program: https://consciousbusinessinstitute.com/master-program/

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FOR FURTHER INFORMATION:

Conscious Business Master Program: https://consciousbusinessinstitute.com/master-program/

Conscious Business Institute: https://consciousbusinessinstitute.com/

Peter Matthies on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-matthies

Carlos Sarmiento on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlos-dar%C3%ADo-sarmiento-rivadeneira-8080a26

SLB: https://www.slb.com/

KEY TAKEAWAYS

- Sustainable change begins with consciousness—not simply new behaviours or processes.

- Conscious leaders create space to reflect, act from purpose and consider a wider circle of relationships.

- Culture is shaped by what leaders embody, encourage, reward and tolerate.

- AI accelerates the culture already present. Without awareness, it can amplify overwhelm, disconnection and short-term thinking.

- Used with purpose and discernment, AI can become a mirror, partner and amplifier of human potential.

- The capacity to bring together different perspectives and build collective intelligence will be increasingly important.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Opening reflections

00:57 Introduction

03:00 Carlos’s journey towards conscious leadership

08:28 Peter’s personal quest and the founding of CBI

11:50 What conscious leadership means

18:48 Why traditional leadership formulas no longer fit

20:39 Culture, trust and the leader’s example

23:52 The Conscious Business Master Program

31:49 Applying the principles within SLB

44:29 AI, efficiency and the risk of over-optimisation

47:22 Four levels of leading with AI

57:21 From personal change to organisational impact

59:40 What conscious business makes possible

1:02:53 Leading with head, heart and guts

1:05:24 An invitation to commercially minded leaders

#ConsciousLeadership #ConsciousBusiness #AILeadership #HumanCentredAI #SelfAwareness #CollectiveIntelligence #OrganisationalCulture #PurposeDrivenLeadership #FutureOfLeadership

Dr Victoria Hurth is one of the clearest and most determined advocates I have encountered for change that is not cosmetic, incremental or confined to business – but fundamental, systemic and grounded in how we govern ourselves, our organisations and our economies.

In this powerful conversation, Victoria argues that many of the crises we face are not failures of intention so much as failures of the decision-making systems we have built. If financial self-interest remains the organising logic, sustainability efforts risk becoming little more than sticking plasters.

Her alternative is Purpose Governance: aligning decisions at every level with long-term wellbeing for all.

We explore the central thesis of her book Beyond Profit (which she co-authored with Ben Renshaw and Lorenzo Fioramonti) - the shift from Logic 1 to Logic 3, the relationship between macro, meso and micro change, the role of ISO 37000 and the emerging ISO 37011, and why worldview, philosophy and even Stoicism matter to leadership.

This is a conversation about changing the architecture beneath the system – not simply improving the outcomes it currently produces.

FOR MORE INFORMATION

Dr Victoria Hurth: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-victoria-hurth/

LI Group ISO 37011: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13091442/

LI Group Beyond Profit: Purpose-Driven Leadership for a Wellbeing Economy https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13085230/

British Standard PAS 808:2022: https://knowledge.bsigroup.com/products/purpose-driven-organizations-worldviews-principles-and-behaviours-for-delivering-sustainability-guide

Unleashing Culture paper for CISL: https://www.cisl.cam.ac.uk/resources/unleashing-sustainable-business

BSI Post (public consultation 28th Sep: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-purpose-driven-ugcPost-7495085278370586624-UH0n/

KEY TAKEAWAYS

Why financial self-interest has become embedded in modern decision-making

Why ESG and “enlightened self-interest” may still fall short

How Purpose Governance can reshape organisations from the inside out

Why governance applies not only to institutions, but to ourselves

How worldview and Stoicism influence the way leaders choose and act

Why ISO 37011 could become an important framework for purpose-driven organisations.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Why our decision-making systems are failing

01:10 Introduction

03:51 Victoria’s story – purpose and service

13:23 Why Beyond Profit?

18:26 Logic 1, Logic 2 and Logic 3

46:56 Macro, meso, micro – and Purpose Governance

56:32 ISO 37000, PAS 808 and ISO 37011

1:10:53 Worldviews and leadership

1:19:54 Stoicism and self-governance

1:26:38 Purpose, culture and leadership in a VUCA world

1:33:01 Final reflections – purpose and curiosity

#PurposeGovernance #PurposeDrivenLeadership #WellbeingEconomy #Governance #SystemsChange #ConsciousLeadership #BeyondProfit #MetaConsciousLeaders

Anthropy - A Living Laboratory for Collective Intelligence.

What happens when more than 2,000 leaders from business, government, education, academia, the arts, charities and civil society leave their titles - and their sector silos - at the door?

Lucy Knill is CEO of Anthropy, the UK’s largest gathering of future makers. After 25 years in events and communications, Covid brought home to her the irreplaceable power of human connection—and strengthened her resolve to put that experience to more purposeful use.

An introduction to Anthropy founder John O’Brien, and a childhood connection with Eden Project co-founder Sir Tim Smit, brought her journey full circle.

In this conversation, Lucy describes Anthropy as a place where diverse perspectives meet, challenge one another and create possibilities that no single discipline could reach alone: a living laboratory for collective intelligence.

We explore whether inspiring conversations can translate into meaningful change; why leadership is shifting from control and ego towards stewardship, responsibility and kindness; and why business leaders have an exceptional opportunity to help rebuild trust. Lucy also explains Anthropy’s four lenses - People, Place, Prosperity and Global Perspective - and its framework for moving from individual agency to collective impact.

FOR MORE INFORMATION

Anthropy: https://anthropy.uk/

EARLY BIRD TICKETS FOR Anthropy27 - Sept only: https://anthropy.uk/national-gathering/

Book directly: https://eu.launchpad.swapcard.com/Anthropy27/registrations/Start

2026 Edelman Trust Barometer: https://www.edelman.com/trust/2026/trust-barometer

Anthropy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/anthropy-uk/

Lucy Knill on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucy-knill-7060b24/

HIGHLIGHTS

* Lucy’s unexpected path from the events industry to purpose-led leadership

* How Anthropy turns cross-sector dialogue into connection, collaboration and action

* The trust deficit - and why employers and CEOs carry growing responsibility

* Stewardship, honest communication and emerging leaders

* Why competence and kindness must work together

* Profit as the oxygen of business, rather than its purpose

* Small actions, multiplied: “What can you do? Do it.”

CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction: why collective intelligence matters

03:45 Lucy’s path to Anthropy

14:00 Synchronicity, agency and purpose

19:38 What future are we trying to build?

22:13 Anthropy’s four questions

26:17 Trust, purpose and business responsibility

31:20 Leadership as stewardship

34:37 From conversation to practical change

44:35 The Eden Project: where connection becomes action

47:15 Emerging leaders and multigenerational wisdom

50:18 Anthropy27: an invitation to take part

52:43 Hope, concern and inspiration

1:00:16 Advice for purpose-led entrepreneurs

1:02:29 Small actions, big change#Anthropy #Anthropy27 #CollectiveIntelligence #Leadership #ConsciousLeadership #PurposeDrivenLeadership #Stewardship #Trust #BusinessForGood #FutureOfBritain

**Why do some leaders sense that business is capable of far more than simply generating profit? Why are increasing numbers questioning the worldview that has shaped our economies, organisations and cultures for centuries? And what if a different future is already emerging?**

In this special solo episode, Greg Suart shares the story behind **Meta-Conscious Leaders** - the experiences, questions and insights that led to its creation, and the vision that continues to shape its evolution.

Drawing on his own journey, including profound experiences of consciousness, Greg explores four lenses through which to understand our times:

• The meta-crisis facing humanity and why it calls for a fundamentally different response.

• Why business has become one of the most powerful forces shaping civilisation.

• How our worldview acts as the hidden operating system behind leadership, culture and economics.

• Why the future of business depends not only on changing systems, but on transforming how we understand ourselves and lead.

Along the way he reflects on purpose, service, consciousness, regeneration, and the remarkable leaders already demonstrating that another way is possible.

Meta-Conscious Leaders exists to illuminate these pathfinders and to support business leaders who wish to become a force for good in service of humanity and the natural world.

If this conversation resonates with you, you're warmly invited to become part of the growing Meta-Conscious Leaders community.

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## KEY TAKEAWAYS

* Why Greg founded Meta-Conscious Leaders.

* The four lenses through which to understand today's challenges.

* Why worldview shapes business, leadership and culture.

* The difference between profit as purpose and profit as necessity.

* Why today's challenges call for a redesign rather than a reconfiguration.

* The emerging shift from materialism towards a consciousness-centred worldview.

* Why transforming business begins with transforming ourselves.

* How community helps leaders remain true to their deeper purpose.

* Why Greg is more hopeful today than ever before.

CHAPTERS

00:00 – Introduction & Why Meta-Conscious Leaders Exists

00:26 – My Personal Journey

04:35 – Lens One: Humanity's Meta-Crisis09:17 – Lens Two: Business Is Shaping the Future

12:52 – Lens Three: Worldview – The Hidden Operating System

25:24 – Lens Four: To Transform Business, Leaders Must Transform

27:15 – What Meta-Conscious Leaders Is Becoming

29:27 – Invitation to Join the Community---

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Joel Monk on Consciousness, Wisdom, AI and the Future of Leadership

In this profound and practical conversation, Greg Suart is joined by Joel Monk, leadership coach, facilitator, teacher and co-founder of Coaches Rising.

What if leadership is not primarily about having the answers?

What if the most important capacity a leader can develop is the ability to listen — not only to data, strategy and analysis, but to a deeper intelligence that emerges through awareness, embodiment and relationship?

Joel's journey has been anything but conventional. From art school and nightclub DJing to a spiritual pilgrimage through India and decades of work exploring human development, coaching, consciousness and transformational leadership, he has devoted his life to understanding how people access deeper levels of wisdom and possibility.

Together Greg and Joel explore:

- Why many leaders are trapped in a self-improvement paradigm

- The difference between knowledge and wisdom

- How intuition can inform decision-making

- Why uncertainty may be one of leadership's greatest gifts

- The role of embodiment in effective leadership

- Internal Family Systems (IFS) and the hidden drivers of behaviour

- Consciousness and the emerging post-materialist worldview

- Interdependence, systems thinking and organisational design

- AI and what it reveals about uniquely human capacities

- Leadership as relationship rather than control

- The question: "What does life want with me?"

At a time when technology is accelerating, complexity is increasing and certainty is becoming harder to find, Joel argues that the future belongs not to those who can process the most information, but to those who can cultivate wisdom, presence and deeper forms of knowing.

This is a conversation for business leaders, entrepreneurs, coaches and anyone interested in the evolution of leadership in a rapidly changing world.

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FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT Joel Monk:

Coaches Rising: https://www.coachesrising.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joel-monk-33952613/

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CHAPTERS

00:00 – The inner and outer journey of leadership

03:46 – Joel's path from DJ and artist to leadership coach

08:47 – India, awakening and the dissolution of self

15:39 – What is "deeper intelligence"?

18:04 – Knowledge versus wisdom in the age of AI

26:32 – Nervous systems, embodiment and leadership

27:51 – From self-improvement to unfoldment

30:26 – Internal Family Systems (IFS) explained

35:07 – Decision-making in uncertainty

40:29 – Bernardo Kastrup and consciousness as fundamental

47:39 – From separation to interdependence

55:29 – Leadership as relationship rather than individual performance

59:50 – Organisations as living ecosystems

1:04:56 – AI and the future of human leadership

1:08:06 – "Life, what do you want with me?"

1:09:37 – What consciousness is asking of leaders today

"The deeper question is whether human consciousness can evolve faster than the systems, fears and identities that keep reproducing conflict." — Fawzia Koofi

At a time when division appears to be deepening across politics, business, communities and culture, former Afghan parliamentarian and peace negotiator Fawzia Koofi invites us to look beyond the visible manifestations of conflict and examine the forces that give rise to it.

Fawzia's life has unfolded at the centre of some of the defining struggles of our age. As one of Afghanistan's most prominent political leaders, a former Vice President of the National Assembly, women's rights advocate, and member of the Afghan peace negotiation team, she has spent decades working in environments shaped by violence, instability, competing identities and profound inequality.

Drawing upon her experiences negotiating directly with the Taliban, surviving assassination attempts, representing women and victims of war, and continuing her humanitarian work from exile, Fawzia offers a rare perspective on leadership under extreme pressure.

Fawzia answers questions of the nature of conflict, the meaning of peace, the role of justice, and the qualities required of leaders navigating a world of increasing complexity.

The conversation moves beyond geopolitics into questions that affect every organisation, every community and every leader.

~ How do we create space for different realities to coexist?

~ What happens when power is unequal?

~ How do we work with anger without becoming defined by it?

~ What role do purpose, faith, listening and human dignity play in building trust?

And perhaps most importantly:

~ Can human consciousness mature quickly enough to meet the challenges of our time?

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ABOUT FAWZIA KOOFI

Fawzia Koofi is one of Afghanistan's most distinguished political leaders and internationally recognised advocates for democracy, peace and women's rights.

Born in Badakhshan Province, she rose from a childhood shaped by war and discrimination to become the first woman elected to the Afghan Parliament from her province and later Vice President of the National Assembly.

For more than two decades she worked at the heart of Afghan public life, championing education, healthcare, human rights and the inclusion of women in political decision-making.

Following the collapse of the Afghan Republic in 2021, she continued her advocacy from exile whilst remaining deeply connected to events inside her homeland.

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FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT Fawzia Koofi:

Website: https://fawziakoofi.org

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fawziakoofi/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fawziakoofi77/?hl=en

SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast is sponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk

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CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction — Conflict, Consciousness and Peace-Making

02:40 Why This Conversation Matters for Leaders

03:40 Understanding the Nature of Modern Conflict

06:00 Leadership in an Era of Complexity and Change

12:00 Is Conflict an Opportunity for Growth?

17:20 Justice, Fairness and the Roots of Conflict

18:15 What Is Peace?

23:45 Peace, Leadership and Organisational Culture

25:40 Anger, Frustration and the Human Condition

30:30 Negotiating with the Taliban

34:50 Creating Space and Finding Your Voice

35:15 Women, Humanity and Peace-Building

39:10 Preparing Yourself for Difficult Conversations

42:30 Faith, Purpose and Inner Strength

49:30 Forgiveness, Retaliation and Moral Courage

53:50 Success, Failure and Long-Term Change

55:40 Consciousness, Intention and Leadership Presence

01:02:20 Negotiating When Power Is Unequal

01:06:00 Humanity, Values and Standing on the Right Side of History

01:08:25 Final Reflections for Leaders

01:09:40 Supporting Fawzia's Work

01:11:05 Closing Thoughts

What place does love have in leadership and organisations?

Can love coexist with performance, accountability and business reality — or is it something modern workplaces have suppressed?

In this profound and deeply human conversation, Greg Suart speaks with leadership consultant, coach and researcher Helena Clayton about her award-winning inquiry into “Leading with Love” and why conversations about love may be among the most important conversations we can now have.

Helena Clayton is a leadership and organisational development consultant with more than 25 years’ experience across UK organisations including the UK Civil Service, Jaguar Land Rover, Ernst & Young and London Business School.

Formerly a director at Roffey Park Institute, Helena’s research explores the role of love, fear, vulnerability and human connection in leadership and organisational life.

Together, Greg and Helena explore:

• Why love is universally recognised but culturally suppressed

• The role of fear in organisational life

• Love as a leadership practice rather than sentiment

• Why vulnerability is often perceived as weakness

• The tension between humanity and extractive business culture

• Whether love may be fundamental to consciousness and reality itself

• How organisations might become more human, connected and alive.

This is not a sentimental conversation.

It is a radical inquiry into the future of leadership, work and human flourishing.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION about Helena Clayton

Her website: https://helenaclayton.co.uk

🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helena-clayton-b245553/

SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast is sponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk

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• Leadership and love

• Fear in organisations

• Psychological safety

• Conscious leadership

• Vulnerability and creativity

• Organisational culture

• Meta-consciousness

• Human-centred business

• Emotional intelligence

• Spirituality and leadership

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⏱️ CHAPTERS

00:00 — When “love taps you on the shoulder”

00:41 — Introduction to Helena Clayton & the inquiry into love

02:21 — Why love in leadership was once taboo

04:10 — Personal development, healing & loveless workplaces

05:37 — Love as purpose, calling and shadow work

07:16 — “We are beings of love” & the state of the world

09:14 — What does “love” actually mean in leadership?

10:35 — The five forms of love identified in Helena’s research

13:38 — Vulnerability, creativity & “Acts of Love for Tough Times”

15:00 — Self-love, radical acceptance & loving kindness practice

17:34 — Love as a verb, presence and radiance

20:44 — Love as a wide-angled lens

21:16 — Is love the fabric of reality?

23:16 — Why love matters in organisations

25:05 — The Roffey Park research: 90% say love matters

27:53 — The business case for love

30:55 — What does a loving organisation look like?

33:06 — What creates unloving organisations?

36:10 — Love, capitalism & cultural suppression

38:31 — Why love threatens organisational norms

40:30 — Love, trauma & healing in organisations

41:25 — Emotional intelligence, empathy & masculinity

42:58 — Fear as the “water table” of organisations

44:12 — Fear, separation & consciousness

45:21 — “Love is universally recognised but culturally suppressed”

46:23 — Helena’s simple daily practice: “Is this loving?”

46:52 — Where to find Helena Clayton

47:40 — Greg’s reflections & closing thoughts

Peter Merry on Consciousness, Emergence & the Future of Leadership.

What if leadership is evolving in lock step with humanity?In this fascinating and wide-ranging conversation, Peter Merry joins Meta-Conscious Leaders to explore the emerging frontier of leadership, consciousness, systems thinking, and human evolution.

Peter is a futures thinker, systems innovator, author of Evolutionary Leadership, co-founder of Wyrd Technologies, and founder of the Science & Consciousness Conference.

Together with Greg Suart they explore why today’s leadership challenges are not merely technical, but developmental - and why the future may belong to leaders capable of integrating rational intelligence with intuition, presence, coherence, and deeper awareness.

Covering:

• The evolution of human consciousness and leadership

• Spiral Dynamics and developmental psychology

• Measurable coherence in groups

• Technologies designed to detect the effects of consciousness itself

Peter also shares insights into:

• Synchronicity and emergence,

• The breakdown and breakthrough of our current systems,

• The rise of “whole performers” over “high performers”,

• How future leadership may increasingly involve hosting the conditions for collective intelligence and emergence.

Peter also talks about his extraordinary work with:

• Wyrd Lights, Wyrdoscope

• The legacy of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) Lab,

• Experiments suggesting that human consciousness measurably affects random systems and group coherence.

This is a profound and yet deeply scientific exploration of: leadership, consciousness, evolution, interconnectedness, and the future of humanity itself.

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For more information about Peter Merry

He is the author of: Evolutionary Leadership; Leading from the Field; Why Work? (links below)

Peter is also:

• Co-founder & CEO of Wyrd Technologies

• Co-founder of the Science & Consciousness Conference

• A long-time contributor to Ubiquity University

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Links

Links🌐 Peter Merry: https://petermerry.org/

🌐 Book: Evolutionary Leaders: https://petermerry.org/evolutionary-l...

🌐 Wyrd Technologies: https://gowyrd.org/tech/ ubiquity

🌐 Ubiquity University: https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/

🌐 Science and Consciousness Conference: https://broughtonsanctuary.co.uk/retr...

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Key Takeaways

• Leadership evolves as human consciousness evolves

• The future demands leaders who can hold complexity, paradox, and uncertainty

• Rational intelligence alone is no longer sufficient

• Presence, intuition, and coherence are increasingly essential leadership capacities

• Younger generations are rapidly moving beyond purely profit-driven organisational models

• Consciousness may not merely be subjective - it may have measurable effects in systems and groups

• The future of leadership may be less about control and more about creating conditions for emergence

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Chapters

00:00 – Emergence, consciousness & nonlinear change

02:17 – Peter Merry’s background & entrepreneurial journey

06:41 – Why Evolutionary Leadership matters now

08:58 – Humanity at a nonlinear tipping point

15:59 – Spiral Dynamics & the evolution of leadership

27:43 – Whole Performers vs High Performers

31:02 – Characteristics of elevated leadership consciousness

36:59 – Wyrd Technologies & measurable coherence

40:44 – PEAR Lab & consciousness research

49:20 – Group coherence, emergence & the Wyrd Light

56:21 – The future applications of consciousness technology

58:34 – Presence, mindfulness & inner development

01:00:26 – Science & Consciousness Conference

01:03:13 – Peter’s advice for leaders under pressure

01:05:10 – Final reflections & closing thoughts