Michael Assante is my guest for this episode. He has a storied career and recently won the RSA Conference Award for Excellence in Information Security. Mike was the VP/CSO of NERC, active at INL in the Aurora demonstration, led the development and implementation of the SANS ICS Security Training program, and even began working as CSO for an electric utility. We talk about driving change, what regulation would work, the lessons learned and failures of Aurora and much more.