This week we are graced by the presence of Michael Avenatti — this is an older interview that was recorded before he was arrested last week, and I'm going to talk about that and also play this interview because Avenatti has some very interesting things to say about leadership and what it takes to be a political leader in 2018 and 2020. I think you'll find it very interesting.
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