In this episode of the Maintainable Software Podcast, Robby speaks with Michael Feathers, Director at R7K Research & Conveyance and author of "Working Effectively with Legacy Code." Michael shares his unique definition of legacy code, emphasizing that legacy code is essentially code without tests. This foundational idea highlights the critical role of automated testing in refactoring and maintaining codebases.

Michael and Robby dive into common issues developers face, such as low test coverage and the perceived optionality of writing tests. They explore how ego and human nature often influence developers' decisions not to write tests, even when frameworks provide the tools to do so.

One of the intriguing concepts discussed is a test-first IDE, which encourages writing tests before methods. Michael shares patterns and practices for integrating testing into existing projects, emphasizing the importance of social reinforcement and team collaboration in improving test coverage.

The conversation also touches on the importance of code quality traits like understandability and simplicity. Michael stresses that empathy in code quality impacts co-workers and that objective measures for code quality often stem from solid design principles. They also discuss the role of code analysis tools in understanding code quality.

Removing unused code from applications is another key topic, with Michael sharing insights on the relationship between business decisions and code maintenance. The discussion extends to Conway's Law and its effect on code design, providing valuable context for understanding how organizational structure influences software development.

Michael shares lessons from his early career, emphasizing the importance of curiosity and deep systems thinking in software development. He also discusses his upcoming projects, including the second edition of "Working Effectively with Legacy Code."

• Legacy code is code without tests.
• Automated testing is crucial for refactoring and maintaining codebases.
• Developers often perceive writing tests as optional, impacting code quality.
• Social reinforcement and team collaboration are vital for improving test coverage.
• Empathy in code quality positively affects co-workers.
• Solid design principles help objectively measure code quality.
• Removing unused code is essential for maintaining a clean codebase.
• Conway's Law illustrates how organizational structure impacts code design.
• Curiosity and deep systems thinking are valuable traits for software developers.

• [Book] Working Effectively with Legacy Code
• Michael Feathers on LinkedIn
• Michael Feathers on Twitter
• R7kr Research & Conveyance
• R7kr Research & Conveyance on Twitter
• Turtles, Termites, and Traffic Jams
• Conway's Law
• Socio-Technical Seeing: Modeling The Dynamics Of Code And Attention
• Michael's blog

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