Television has been in the ascendant for some years and the pandemic has strengthened its hold on the public imagination. In this episode, Eliot Wilson talks to legendary TV executive Lord Grade of Yarmouth about his time at all of the UK's major broadcasters and discusses the future of television in the 2030s. They talk about public funding and how the BBC will address itself to its second century, the unique status of Channel 4 and the extraordinary boom in the British creative industries.