Michael Hyatt and Gene Appel reach different audiences. Michael speaks and writes on business topics and life success, while Gene, senior pastor of Eastside Christian Church in Anaheim, California, is decidedly a church guy. But both of them know a thing or two about making church leaders more effective. In this episode, Chris Brown talks with Michael about his new book, Living Forward: A Proven Plan to Stop Drifting and Get the Life You Want. Together, they unpack how unintentional drift—in