Michael Shermer is the author of Giving The Devil his Due: Reflections of a Scientific Humanist. He’s also the founder of Skeptic Magazine and used to be a Born Again Christian, so we got to bond on our Jesus Christ roots.

Remember April 1st at 6pm I’m doing my creative writing workshop that I usually do at the Los Angeles Public Library live online. Go to tonydushane.com for information on that.

Enjoy the show, take care of each other, there’s a lot of fear and anxiety out there, so remember to give people a break, we’re all in this together, and one day we will ALL HUG IT OUT.