In this conversation, Miguel shares his journey into cybersecurity, discussing his early interest in ethical hacking and the evolution of his career. He emphasizes the importance of crowdsourced pen testing as a continuous security measure and the concept of security in depth. The discussion also touches on the challenges organizations face in understanding their vulnerabilities and the need for a defined scope in ethical hacking. Miguel concludes with personal advice for his younger self, highlighting the importance of believing in one's convictions.