Mike and Glenn pursued surrogacy overseas, but after hitting roadblocks and ultimately not having any success, they turned to Australian surrogacy - and are now eagerly awaiting the birth of their daughter, with the help of egg donor Cass, and their surrogate Kate.

You will hear Mike and Glenn mention a few things in this episode, which might pique your interest:

You can find the Australian Surrogacy Community and Egg Donation Australia on Facebook.

You can also find Shannon Garner's book about Australian surrogacy, Labour of Love, in all good bookstores and online.