Doc welcomes Mike Mowery, podcaster, owner of Outerloop Management and record label, as well as co-owner of Jabberjaw Media, the podcast network that The Ex Man is a part of. They talk about Mike's trip cross-country, his time in Los Angeles, weigh the pros and cons of being too honest in the podcasting field, how the Jabberjaw Media podcast network came together, the state of the heavy music industry in the streaming age, his recent challenges in dealing with adversity with his business and personal life, and share some internal reflections on how one stays positive through adversity.

This episode features the song "A Grave Mistake" by ICE NINE KILLS from their new album The Silver Scream.

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