Doc chats with Darkest Hour founder and guitarist, Mike Schleibaum, about the sacrifices and grind of DIY touring, Doc's challenge with learning the guitar technique behind Darkest Hour songs, how Mike stays so enthusiastic and Darkest Hour's unique longevity, how the line-up changes have allowed the band to excel, Mike's time playing with the legendary hardcore band, Battery, dealing with the transition and backlash of being ex-straight edge, they brainstorm on ways to make independent music careers more achievable by organizing through collectivism, and compare the approaches and reactions between the previous more commercial self-titled album and their latest more gritty album, Godless Prophets and the Migrant Flora.

This episode features the song "This Is The Truth" by Darkest Hour from the album Godless Prophets and the Migrant Flora.

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