In this episode of Terms of Service, host Mary Camacho speaks with Dr. David Bray, a seasoned leader who has served in senior roles across the U.S. government, tech, and civil society. From bioterrorism response at the CDC to digital transformation efforts in national intelligence, Bray brings a unique perspective on leadership in complexity. They explore how institutions can adapt in times of disruption, why trust is a critical infrastructure, and how positive change agents can build bridges across sectors—even in polarized environments. With a deep systems lens, Bray challenges us to align technological innovation with human values and long-term mission.

Key Takeaways

• Mission-driven leadership matters most in times of complexity and crisis. Leaders must be able to hold contradictions, listen deeply, and navigate uncertainty with clarity of purpose.
• Trust is infrastructure. Societal systems—especially in democracies—depend on mutual trust, and technology can either degrade or strengthen that foundation.
• The U.S. is structured for stalemate, not for rapid transformation. But transformation is still possible—especially in crises—through coalitions and adaptive strategies.
• Cross-sector collaboration is essential. Government, civil society, and private enterprise must learn to speak a shared language of values and resilience.
• We must redesign metrics for success. Quarterly profits aren’t the only or best measure; we need frameworks that value long-term human and ecological well-being.

• 02:52 – The Neutrality of Technology and Its Implications
• 06:30 – Agency in the Age of AI and Information
• 09:32 – Policy Evolution in the Face of Rapid Technological Change
• 13:43 – Building Trust Across Divided Sectors
• 14:25 – When institutions break down: adaptive leadership and finding windows of possibility
• 18:10 – Personal Journeys and Motivations in Leadership. 
• 22:48 – Advice for Leaders Amidst Polarization
• 23:20 – Navigating polarized environments with shared values and pluralist frames
• 28:10 – Decision-Making Frameworks for Leaders
• 30:15 – Fostering Healthy Tension in Leadership
• 32:09 – Empowering Others and Agency in Leadership
• 39:18 – The Ethics of Power and Responsibility

Dr. David Bray is a strategist and transformation leader working at the intersection of technology, policy, and complex change. Currently Distinguished Chair of the Accelerator at the Stimson Center and Principal at LeadDoAdapt Ventures, he’s led efforts ranging from bioterrorism preparedness to countering disinformation for U.S. Special Operations. A former FCC CIO and Executive Director for bipartisan national commissions, David has advised 12 startups, worked globally on the future of tech and data, and earned honors including the National Intelligence Exceptional Achievement Medal and CIO 100 Awards. He’s also served as Executive-in-Residence at Harvard and was named one of Business Insider’s “24 Americans Changing the World.”

• David Bray on LinkedIn 
• CXO TALK
• Stimson Center – Bray’s Profile

• People-Centered Internet Coalition - Dr. Bray served as Executive Director for this initiative co-founded by Vint Cerf. It promotes digital infrastructure that empowers people. 
• Edelman Trust Barometer – He references the 2025 edition of the Edelman Trust Barometer, particularly noting statistics on global grievance and willingness to justify violence.
• Rousseau’s Theory of Pluralities – Bray refers to Rousseau’s idea that democracies require civic responsibility from at least 20% of people to function well—a power-law principle still relevant today.

• Episode 11: "Who Watches the Watchers? Privacy Law, AI, and Power"
• Episode 8: "The Great Disruption: Building Human-Centered Digital Futures"
• Episode 5: "Regenerating Social Fabric & Innovating Governance"
• Episode 4: "Dynamics of Digital Spaces: Rethinking Democracy Online"

How do we lead with courage and clarity when everything is changing? This conversation with Dr. David Bray offers a roadmap for leadership in uncertain times—grounded in systems thinking, public service, and a deep respect for human agency.

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Host: Mary Camacho

Guest: Dr. David Bray

Produced by Terms of Service Podcast

Sound Design: Arthur Vincent and SonorLab

Co-Producers: Nicole Klau Ibarra & Mary Camacho