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Wide release date: November 2, 2025.

Episode Summary: Dr. Jon Brestoff talks about mitochondrial dynamics inside cells, their transfer between unrelated cells (distinct from inheritance during division), and its roles in adipose tissue communication, macrophage cleanup, and systemic metabolic signaling; they explore how high-fat diets disrupt this process, potential hormetic benefits, therapeutic mitochondria transplantation for diseases like Leigh syndrome and obesity, and broader immunometabolism crosstalk.

About the guest: Jon Brestoff, MD, PhD is an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, where he directs the Initiative for Immunometabolism.

Discussion Points:

* Mitochondria per cell range from ~100-5000; they move via fusion/fission, vertical inheritance (cell division), or horizontal transfer without division.

* Transfer mechanisms: free release, extracellular vesicles, or tunneling nanotubes using cytoskeleton transport.

* In healthy fat tissue, adipocytes routinely donate mitochondria to macrophages for degradation (quality control); high-fat (lard-based, long-chain FA) diets block macrophage uptake, diverting mitochondria to other organs.

* Diverted mitochondria may induce “mito-hormesis” (mild oxidative stress boosting antioxidants) or signal adipocyte metabolic status inter-organ.

* Mitochondria transplantation shows promise in animal models for ischemia-reperfusion, obesity, and mitochondrial diseases.

* Immune cells prefer glycolysis but have low mitochondrial biomass; transplanted mitochondria tilt T-cells toward anti-inflammatory regulatory phenotype.

* Circulating cell-free mitochondria rival immune cell numbers.

* Obesity inflammation stems from dying oversized adipocytes releasing lipids/mitochondria, forming crown-like structures with pro-inflammatory macrophages.

* Leigh syndrome from genetic mutations disrupting the electron transport chain.

* Transfer may be an evolutionary relic of endosymbiosis; cells may selectively use exogenous mitochondria like a “generator” during metabolic crisis.

Reference Paper:

* Study: The power and potential of mitochondria transfer

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* M&M 260: Energy Resistance Principle in Life, Healing & Disease | Martin Picard & Nirosha Murugan

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* Episode transcript below.

Episode Chapters:

00:00:00 Intro

00:03:44 Guest Intro & Lab Focus

00:05:09 Mitochondria Basics: Numbers, Movement & Life Cycle

00:08:55 Mitochondrial Transfer vs Vertical Inheritance

00:11:18 Mechanisms: Vesicles, MVBs & Tunneling Nanotubes

00:14:48 Contexts: From Yeast to Humans & In Vivo Evidence

00:15:55 Adipocyte-to-Macrophage Transfer in Healthy Fat

00:18:05 High-Fat Diet Disrupts Transfer & Diverts Mitochondria

00:19:09 Mitohormesis & Inter-Organ Metabolic Signaling

00:21:13 Dietary Long-Chain Fatty Acids & Heparan Sulfates

00:23:32 Cardioprotection via Adipocyte Mitochondria in Heart

00:25:55 Mitochondrial Transplantation: Animal Studies & Trials

00:27:53 Immune Response to Free Mitochondria & Tolerance

00:30:18 T-Cell Shift to Anti-Inflammatory Phenotype

00:32:15 Cell-Free Mitochondria in Blood & Stability

00:33:37 Obesity Inflammation: Dying Adipocytes & Crown Structures

00:35:33 Mitochondria Transplants Reduce Obesity in Rodents

00:40:21 Immunometabolism Co-Evolution & Fever Example

00:41:46 Origin Story: Platelets, Mitochondria & Obesity Hypothesis

00:45:47 Leigh Syndrome: Pathology & Mitochondria Transplant Rescue

00:51:12 Patient Fibroblasts & Compassionate Use Trials

00:52:51 Evolutionary Roots & Endosymbiosis Relic

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