Selma director Ava DuVernay joins Kamau and not Kevin (he was probably busy doing something great since he has everything) to discuss the 1990 Spike Lee directed Denzel film Mo' Better Blues. They talk about this being hands down Denzel's sexiest film, how Mo' Better Blues played a large part of Ava's first summer of independence (alongside her love for milk) during her time at UCLA, and why Out of Time makes Ava's Top 5 Denzel films.