Max is joined by poet, artist, and founder of Sovrn.art, Ezra Shibboleth, for a conversation on the cutting-edge of everything. Tokens, and their many forms. Artistic expectations, and how Matt Kane has spent this past week subverting them (with fiery results). Building a successful platform in a bear market, and what that requires of its founders. The very apocalypse itself, and how humans might react.