The fourth podcast of the Moments in Transformation series focuses on Palestine, where In Transformation Initiative (ITI) was invited in 2015 to help behind the scenes in preparation for the Palestinian peace negotiations.

The guest for this podcast is Mohammed Bhabha, who is a former Member of Parliament, qualified attorney, and experienced negotiator. He was part of the African National Congress (ANC) team at the Convention for a Democratic South Africa (CODESA), and later as part of the agreements on the final South African Constitutions. Bhabha is also a Director at ITI

The podcast series is hosted and produced by journalist Karen Allen in collaboration with ITI. Zapslat contributed to the sound design for this podcast and all podcasts were recorded at One Big Room Studios.