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You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. I'm your host, Mary Lewis. Today I'm talking with Susan at Mama Dragon's Homestead in Maryland, of all places. Good morning, Susan, how are you?  Good morning, I'm doing well. How are you? Well, let's be honest, you and I are both coming off of a two-week sickness. And if I sound rough, it's because I have had the most

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ridiculously miserable head cold upper respiratory thing  since two Tuesdays ago. And  how long have you had it? It's been about the same. I'm on week three and  doing so much better than I was before.  My tonsils decided that they were going to  get huge on me. So  but it's something that my kids brought home for sure.  Yeah, my kid went to see his girlfriend and she had been sick and I didn't know she'd been sick.

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And I think he brought it home from her place. So I'm kind of  mildly displeased with him,  but I love him. And so I'm just like, eh, it could have been my husband bringing it home from work. can't find anybody to blame. I just have to be miserable.  So  if  Susan sounds snorky or I sound snorky, that's why.  And listener, if you are smart,

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try to make sure you wash your hands and if you feel okay about it wear a mask when you go out in public because it is going around. Yeah it is. It's gross you do not want this. It has been so bad.  Okay so first off I'm so happy that you're you're well enough to chat with me  and second off why is it mama dragons homestead? um I  really really love dragons. um

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I was definitely uh kind of a horse girl growing up.  But then like in middle school, was like, you know what? I'm going to just make these look like dragons now. dragons  have just been something that  I've  loved for most of my life.  And I'm an artist as well. So I draw a lot of dragons. uh I  didn't want uh my homestead to be uh

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a name that I already have online elsewhere or anything. I tried to make it kind of, well, I love dragons. So I'm a mama. Here's dragons. Mama dragon.  Well, it's attention getting because I saw it on Facebook and I was like, hmm, what is this? Does she raise dragons? Do they exist?  My kids, my kids are all grown. But if you had figured out a way to find dragon eggs, hatch them and raise dragons, they would have been all over that.  Oh, if I

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you'll be the first to know because I'm all about that.  Yeah, the book that got my youngest hooked on reading  was Aragon and he talked about dragon eggs incessantly for months after he read that book.  I actually have read that one too. think I was um in middle school as well when I read that one. ah But my first uh big dragon series book was Anna Caffrey's Dragon Riders of Fern.  Mine too.

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love that series. Absolutely love it.  Me too. And what I didn't know when I started, the first one I read, we're going to get into books for a minute, was The White Dragon because I didn't know there were other books before that one. And that's the one that got me sucked in. And then  as a young adult, I learned that there were so many more. And then I think she's died now. think  Emma Caffrey has passed. So there will be no more Pern books. And I'm kind of sad about it.

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She did collaborate with her son. So her son has, they've got books that they've done together and some that he's done. So there's still some Anne McCaffrey magic out there. I may have to dig into it. I haven't read one in a long time. Okay. Well, anyone who's a reader and loves dragons and loves words, go find the Pern series because it is fabulous. So I don't want to get into books too much because I am a word nerd and a

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book geek and we could spend two hours and that's not what this podcast is about. keep joking  that I need to start a book podcast and I just don't have the time right now to invest in a second podcast.  So maybe if I do do one in a year or so, I'll have to have you come back and we'll talk books.  But  what do you do at Mama Dragon's Homestead? What are you guys going on there? um So  we just started out. This is

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This is my first year homesteading and I literally took a nose dive into it. um And in February, me and my kids  started planting our little garden. had  pumpkins, corn, uh tomato, every tomato. planted way too many tomatoes. um Zucchini,  we got that all going and I felt like really hopeful for it.  I'm actually terrible at keeping any kind of plant thing alive. So the fact that uh

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it was working was really exciting and encouraging for me.  And then I was going to be getting into canning. um But  on Mother's Day, I got  four chicks,  four little chicks.  And um I'm sure you know how chicken math works.  Four just wasn't enough. And so after that, I got um four more from another local homestead.

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and then three more from a different homestead. So we were at 11 chickens and  my partner was like, all right,  maybe we should think about this. So  I put a hard stop there and we were just raising those ones up. We got the chickens before we got  the coop. So we built the coop while they were growing up.  And then the same lady that I had gotten four of the chicks from

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Um, she had posted that she was also, uh, selling rabbits. So  I jumped into the rabbitry side of things.  Um, I'm also a registered rabbitry as a mama dragon as well.  Oh, nice.  Um, we've got rabbits going,  um, which,  know, we use for every aspect for,  for compost, for food, for, um,  I'm looking into getting into the,  um,  the shows this next year.

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And yeah, uh that's,  I think that covers kind of where we are at at current with everything on the homestead, uh animal and food wise. Fun. So, so why did you dive in? um So I actually had a pretty traumatic uh last year.  I became a single mother last year and uh one of my best friends and my boss  passed away.

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And ah I was just kind of spiraling in this depression  and not sure  how to like pull myself back out of it. um And, you know, financially was also  struggling and I was like, what can I do to be more self-efficient for me and my family when  these times are getting rough like this? um So that's kind of what sparked it and why we started with Garden.

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Um,  and then,  you know, when we got the chicks and everything, I just  really saw a big change in my mood.  Um,  you know, I'm, wanting to  go outside. I'm wanting to help take care of things and tend to the garden and stuff like that. And my kids are excited about it. So it's something that we're  learning and doing together at the same time. It's not something that I already know that I'm teaching them. It's something that we're learning.

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together as, you know, home team family doing.  And I think that really brought out this different side of me  and  brought out a lot of motivation and encouragement during  me being in a really dark place in dark time.  You chose one of the healthiest ways to deal with depression there is.  Thank you. Good job. I'm proud of you. ah

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Here at our place, our last name is Louis, obviously. So when we accomplish something, we go, yay, Team Louis. I love that.  And it's usually outside and it's usually really loud. It's a good thing we have neighbors that are a quarter mile away at the  least.  But  one of our neighbors is actually a county sheriff.  And he has a homestead over that way himself. So I'm sure that he and his family probably have some version  of hell's yes, we did it. Yeah.

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But ours is, ours is, Team Lewis or go Team Lewis or whatever it We yell outside. And it's so nice to be able to yell outside. Our neighbors don't come running like what is wrong with you? Yeah. Okay. So I've talked about our experience with rabbits a couple of times on the podcast in the last two years, and we tried it. We were going to raise rabbits for meat and our bunnies were not very good at procreating. We got one, one litter.

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in a year. And we decided that was not a good use of our time or our money because you've got to feed those bunnies. And so we called them and stuck them in the freezer and that was the end of our rabbit raising experience. I saw on your Facebook page that you have had more than one litter of bunnies gifted to you. So how's it going? Oh my goodness. I absolutely love it. So there is kind of

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Interesting story with the bunnies. So  the first two that I got um were specifically for my kids  since we did so well with the chicks. But uh I then  suddenly had eight bunnies  because  bunny math apparently hits a whole lot harder than chicken math does.  But um I had come across this lady that had rabbits for sale and  I went to go check them out.  And it turned out that

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They were in really bad living conditions and she was  she kind of said, hey, you're here for these, but I need you to take all of these rabbits  or I'm just going to call them all. I put me in kind of a weird situation because it was like, this is my first time here. I'm still new to rabbits.  I don't know what to do. But I felt really bad because like their cages were falling apart and  awful. And  so I was like, OK, put them all in the van. And. um

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Taking care of them and kind of like nursing them back to health and trying to find homes for them, I found out how much I love and just appreciated it. Majority of them were bucks though. So I went through the rehoming of that and then adopt, not adopted, but bought two more does and I gave it a shot.

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And I had read everywhere, you know, make sure you're breeding too so that if something happens to the first one, another one can help foster and stuff like that. yeah, the first two, one of them had, I think seven was the first litter and then the other one was 10. And I'm like, oh, hi, lots of babies. And that was really exciting.

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They come, they're like little beans. I think that's one of the videos I even said, they're like little jumping beans. But like it was a very special moment. I'm helping to create more life that's going to sustain me, my family, or be in somebody else's life. And then the next two that I had,

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um It was only a few weeks later, they both had their babies. And I think we're up to 29 babies. um And they're all doing amazing.  They're all fantastic mothers. Two of them are first time moms. Two of them have had  litters previously. um all  of the babies have made it that were born live. We did have three stillborn,  but she had, I mean that was...

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She had a litter of 13 and three of them were stillborn. So it was very large litter for  rabbit.  Yeah. But yeah, it's been fantastic.  It's another thing that this is my first time doing something like this and the kids are present for it. uh Though my oldest, who's seven, was a little freaked out when they were born because he didn't realize that they were kind of born naked. um So  he was like, you know, let me know when they have fur.

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um But my youngest has been really supportive and  wanting to be there for every time I go out there really. Yes, little naked mole rat popcorn kernels is what I think of them as. Yes.  You try to like check on them if they feel a vibration at all, they all just start popping around in the nest.  Yeah, they are the most adorable baby animal I've ever dealt with and that's going some because I

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love kittens and I love puppies.  I love baby goats and I love calves. So for me to say that baby rabbits are the cutest, they really are.  Yes, they make cute little squeaks and oh my gosh, they're precious. Though I'm jealous because I would love to be around some baby calves.  I don't have baby calves. The only reason I say I love baby calves is my grandpa's friend down the road when I was growing up had a dairy farm and we got to go see the calves every spring.  And my

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grandpa's friend would let us go into the pen with like two or three calves at a time and just hang out with them because they were they were little they were only a week old. And baby calves love to suck because that's how they get the milk from mom and so if you stick your thumb out they're gonna suck on your thumb it's very funny. Yes I visited a farm that had a baby one and I it was trying to eat like I would to pet it it tried to eat my whole knuckles.

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They're like, Ooh, that seems like a teat. Let's see, let's see what's in there. And you find out, they find out right away that there's nothing there, but they will continue to suck. It's almost like a baby, you know, a human baby. don't. that's how they learn. Yeah. mean, pacifiers are not a fantastic thing. I don't recommend that moms give their babies pacifiers these days, cause it's really hard to get that toddler to give it up. But it's the same thing. It's comfort. So. Right.

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Um, okay. So,  and so how many chickens do you have now?  Um, so,  um, I don't know if it was one of the posts that you saw or not, but  the same time that we were having  baby bunnies,  I actually just incubated and hatched  our first,  um, home hatch  of chickens. So we were at 11. We unfortunately did lose one, um, which if you don't mind, I'm going to say like a little PSA to everybody. um

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Make sure,  you know, if you've built your coop or you're adding onto your coop,  get one of those magnetic sweepers just in case any screws or nails or anything fall off. Oh, yeah. That's unfortunately how we lost our one hen. um Everybody else is good, but she ended up  eating one.  yeah, so just make sure if you do any construction or anything, you clean it up with that because they see shiny and they want to eat it. Yes. And that is a

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Perfectly fine thing to let people know  and while we're at it I've got one to add to  my husband and my son target practice on our property  and uh They will use the the 22  Caliber well, it's I'm trying to think of all the right words here  and  they were actually shooting at a possum that had gotten into the the chicken coop  and My dad told my dad about this and he was like are they using lead shot or steel shot?

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And I said, I don't think we have any steel shot right now. And he said, um you might not want to let the chickens free range where they were shooting at the possum.  He said, because they will eat  the shot. And if it's lead, it will kill them.  And I had never thought of that. It never would have occurred to me. So  that's another PSA.  If you're going to target practice or if you're going to dispatch an animal on your property,

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Don't let your chickens free range of where you shot that gun or where you aimed  the gun at. Yeah.  Because chickens are stupid. They will eat anything. They will.  I give them  as much, you know, like I mix up my own scratch and stuff.  But if they see styrofoam, they're going for the styrofoam.  Oh, yeah. They they're indiscriminate  and they don't self-regulate when they eat. I mean, we feed

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We fill their feeder full and  they don't self-regulate. They will eat through that thing in two days. Yep.  There's eat, need, need. And I'm like, you are not meat birds. You are laying hens.  Right. So we have to make sure that we don't fill the feeder all the way full. We feed them a specific amount every day. Otherwise we're going to go broke feeding chickens. uh But to answer... uh

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Back to what you originally asked. um So 10 grown right now in Lang and we hatched 18 chicks. So we've got 18 chicks now. uh And they're all,  know, some of them are from our flock and some of them are  from like my sister farm. She's got a whole bunch of different chickens too. So we've got a cute little variety going on right now.  Nice. And what is the plan for all the chickens?

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So we are going to look at getting our numbers up to 24. So we have like two dozen eggs a day. And then I have a neighbor down the road. They just built a coop and they'll get the remainder of them to kind of start their flock. Nice. Awesome. So do you sell your chicken egg? Are you going to? Yeah, we just started. a couple of weekends ago, actually it was the first Saturday in October.

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me and my kids launched uh our first farm stand. Like we're doing everything this year. uh And so we've been putting eggs out there and the neighbors have been coming and buying them and stuff. uh yeah, it's been really neat. It's been really fun.  You weren't kidding when you said you dived in. I did. I did a huge nose dive.  But that's good. I mean, honestly, if you can afford it.

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If you are ingenious enough to do it on a shoestring budget,  and if it's helping your mental health, I applaud you. I think you're doing a great thing. Thank you. Definitely. I've been taking advantage of Facebook Market and everybody who um gives away palettes and stuff like that. We've been recycling so much stuff for what we have. Palettes are the homesteaders, godsend of building materials.  That's what our coupes made out of, is palettes.

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Yeah, there's a place almost to the next town over. It's  a dental  or veterinarian something supply place and they have stacks of really nice pallets all the time and they just let people take them. we,  we took at least 50 of them in the first two years we're here. Yeah. Cause they're great. mean, you can use them the way they are. You can break them apart to use them for other things. They're fantastic. And free is always good.

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Yep.  Okay. So,  um, I had a question about your farm stand. Did you build your farm stand or did you like retrofit a shed or something?  Um, so we got  an old,  um, not old, but, um, somebody was getting rid of, uh, like a entertainment center, a TV stand,  um, that had like cabinet doors on it.  Um, so we went and picked it up  and,  um, I did,  uh,  cause it had just like the

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kind of cardboardy background or  back of it.  So we took that off and I put um wood up on it and I put really cute wallpaper on it. I'm very partial to wallpaper. um And we just added a few more shelves and we have it standing because it wasn't tall enough on its own.  We have it on pallets to make it tall enough. um And  we wheel it out every weekend, at least until we can get a roof on it so that like when it rains, doesn't.

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mess it up.  Very nice.  That's really smart. um I'm sorry, I'm trying not to cough.  No, you're okay.  Goodness. um We have a farm stand too, but we actually spent a lot of money on it because we had money at the time.  And it looks like a little red barn and I'm so in love with  it. it makes our property look so

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You need to understand and the listeners need to understand. I've talked about it before. When we moved here, it was a blank slate. There wasn't a farm stand. There wasn't a greenhouse. There was a pole barn, a house, and a three-car garage or two-car garage that is useless. We can't open the doors on it because it's old and broken. And a big old field to put a beautiful garden in and we did that right away. But we have very slowly been putting buildings in to suit our purposes.

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And I'm telling you, when my husband and son got the uh permanent greenhouse built, I mean, I had wanted it from the beginning, but that didn't go up until May 2 until  two Mays ago. So May of 2023. We had our little farm stand, the greenhouse is behind it. The barn is at the end of the driveway.  And I look out my kitchen or my porch windows and I can see the whole layout.

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And I'm just like, man, this is what I thought it was going to look like when we got to it.

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Yeah, that's gotta be like a dream to look out and just see it. It's so exciting and  it sounds dumb. mean, the greenhouse has been up for a year and a half  and the farm stand's been up for at least three years  and it still just makes me giddy to look out there and see those structures  built and being used. No, I think that's fantastic. I mean, ours is still very fresh, but it is like

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That's one of my favorite things to do. I used to never use the backyard because there was nothing in it  and  my kids would mostly play in the front yard and um just being able to go into the backyard and I am a, an addicted coffee drinker to the max. So to just go out there and have my coffee and  hear the chickens and see them.  and like, I never thought,  never thought that would be something in my life. So it's, it is still very like, wow, I'm really,

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and I'm really, um I don't know, grateful that this is how things have turned out.  Yeah, it's funny how when bad things happen, if you can just feel the feelings and breathe through it and realize that you have to keep moving through the bad to get to the good,  when you get to the other side, it's like the lights go back on and color comes back into the world. Yes, that's very true. It's so weird. My daughter,  my daughter is my oldest child.

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I have four kids. And when she graduated high school and moved out, everybody was like, are you okay? Are you doing okay? And I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. And she moved, she graduated in the end of May, first of June, years ago, and she moved out like the same day  and she was  gone. I mean, gone, gone. Like I didn't see her for months because she needed to make that break too. And it took until October for me to realize that I

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hadn't been fine. Like I was doing okay. I was getting through life, but I was depressed and I didn't even know it.  October hit and the leaves had changed and I had noticed and fall is my favorite time of year.  And  just as the foliage season was coming to an end, I was like, oh my God, the maple tree across the street is gorgeous. And my husband said, yeah, it has been for the last week and a half. Where have you been?

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And I said, I don't know. He said, I don't think you've handled this as well as people think you've handled this. And I said, well, I don't think so either, but colors are back. He's like, oh, that's good. He said, that's usually a good sign. I said, yeah, no kidding. Yeah. That's one of the first things that got pointed out to me. And it was actually by my mom. She lives in Colorado, but she just kind of noticed

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my behavior, and this was like, not this last February, but the February before where she's like, are you okay? And I'm like,  I don't know what you mean. And she's like, it kind of seems like you're disassociating.  that's not something that I had thought about at all. But when I sat back and thought about it, I'm like,  oh, yes, I have been heavily disassociating  for a long time, been missing  all the signs of it thinking I was okay.

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That's the worst part of it is that you as the person experiencing it  don't really realize that it's happening. Yeah. Yeah. Until you come out of it. Yep. And I don't want to make this into psychology 101, but  it's really good to have family and friends who will notice those things and be like,  I don't think you're as okay as you're trying to be.  I think so many  aspects.

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are intertwined with each other that it's still  relevant to this, I think, because I think a lot of people,  in my opinion, at least,  who do homesteading, it is kind of the having a purpose, having a reason to go outside having because just being outside is healthy for you anyway. I know I was like, gremlin in my basement for way too long,  but just being outside and moving.

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helps your mental state and I do think that's a big part of homesteading, at least in my experience of it,  as it's been very rewarding for my mental health.  Sure. And if nothing else, the vitamin D from the sun that you're getting while you're outside helps a lot. I have never been so Tam.  Yeah, absolutely.  So how big is your piece of property? Is it just a city lot or are you outside of town?

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I am  on kind of the edge of city there. So it's  nice that there's not as much limitations. I've got just under an acre. there's a house next to us that it's actually been abandoned for 20 years.  So I don't have to worry about neighbors on that side. um And the neighbor on the other side of us um is totally cool with everything, loves our chickens, loves the rooster. And I give her some free eggs. like.

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no problem with us there. And then behind us um is just woods  for I don't know how long, but there's no one behind us. And  it's a really  nice, like there's only a couple trees. So I've planted a few fruit trees in hopes that maybe in a couple years  something will happen with them. And I've planted a couple willow trees just to add some more.

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shade in the back there, but it's a good chunk of land for the kids to run around. I do have dogs too, so there's all that. And there's still a good section for my garden and the chickens and rabbits without it feeling like we're cramped or building on top of ourselves. Awesome. You can do a lot with just under an acre. We had a 10th of an acre before we moved to our 3.1 acre place here.

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And we  fed our neighborhood veggies every summer from our tiny little garden. So you can do a lot. um If you want to make yourself feel really special,  how many  fruit trees did you plant?  Three.  OK. Add two more and  you can say that you have a small orchard. OK. Is that what an orchard's considered? Yep. Five or more. Very cool.

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I'll have do that.  Yeah. I didn't know this until  I sent the draft of my article. It's coming out in the November, December issue of Homestead Living.  Like, like next month it's coming out and the editor said, um, so do you have an orchard? And I didn't know the definition of orchard. So I had to look it up and it said five or more fruit trees. And I said to my husband when he got home, said, did you know that we have a small orchard?  That's really cool.

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He said, technically. I said, yes. I said, considering we have 20 trees and that's just apple trees. I said, doesn't count the plum trees or the peach trees. I said, we have a small orchard on our property. He was like, that is fabulous. And he used another word in front of fabulous that I don't sound like podcast. uh So if you want to make yourself feel special and unique, add two more trees and you will have a small orchard. Susan. Awesome.

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Actually, I do have four, but one of them is inside right now because it's uh it's a Mandarin and I'm like, that's going to freeze. So it's inside. So one more trick.  Yeah. What did you plant for trees outside? uh I have uh an apple tree, peach and a plum. And it was kind of  we're going to try each of these and see. I think the apple  might not have made it just because when we got it  and I didn't know when I got it at the time, it had that the rust.

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Yeah.  Yeah. So I'm a little worried about it,  but the peach and the the plum seem like they're doing  really good. uh But yeah, we'll see how they  how they turn out next year. Hopefully they should. eh There was there was already like two peaches growing on the peach tree when we bought it. So  I'm hoping that means that next year we'll have a little more.  Yeah, peaches are pretty quick turnaround. We have peach trees and we got

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We got peaches the fall after we put it in.  So like the year a year later, we got peaches. The other thing about apples and I'm gonna tell you this because I didn't know this until we got apples and um one of our orchard friends like like he grow he has an orchard a big one. He gave us apple trees  as a housewarming present.  Gave them to us gave us six apple trees. Wow.

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And I said, we don't need six. And he was like, no, no, no. He said,  here's why I'm doing this. He said, I'm the one who has the orchard. Listen up. And I was like, okay, thank you, sir. Tell me,  educate me.  He said, I'm giving you four  honey gold apple trees. He said, they're a fabulous apple for baking. He said, and I'm giving you a Regent and a Harrelson. He said, the reason I'm giving you these is because you need  different kinds of apple trees to pollinate each other.

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Because you need more than one apple tree. So I'm going to tell you right now, Susan, if you want apples, you're going to need more than one apple get some more. Well, good to know. Thank you. Yeah. And this guy, think he's 70 and we've known him for at least 20 years. And we just wanted to buy some small apple trees from him. And we drove up and we were like, hey, you know, moved to LaSore, right? And he's like, yeah.

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And I said, any chance you have any small apple trees you'd be willing to sell us. And he said, well, no. And I looked at him and I said, did we do something to make you angry? And he said, no. He said, no, of course not. I'm going to give you some apple trees for your housewarming present. I almost broke down in tears. I was so tickled and so excited. And I was just like, you don't have to give them to us.

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And he was like, Mary, he said, how many times has Kyle helped me with stuff here? I said, at least six. He said, did I ever pay him? I was like, no.  He said, you guys have become friends and you have been wanting to this forever. He said,  I am going to give you apple treats. I was like, okay, fantastic. So it's, sometimes it's not what you know, it's who you know. In this case, we were very happy to know this man. So yeah.

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All right. So I think  I have asked all the questions I can ask in 30 minutes since we're at 3340. ah Where can people find you, Susan? uh Right now, I post mainly to that Facebook page. um I don't think that I've got a custom  URL for it, but if you look up on Facebook, ah Mama Dragon Homestead, you'll find it. It's right currently the avatar on it or the icon  is one of my rabbits.  And

34:08

I'm hoping to launch  a site  in  the next coming weeks.  when I do, I'll post on there. It's either going to be Mama Dragon Homestead or Dragon Homestead because I know putting the mama in front makes it kind of long.  But I'll post there when  it's ready to go.  Okay, fantastic. And I'm going to give you one more piece of advice. I hope you don't mind. Oh, sure.  When you set up your website, make sure that you make an email address with  the

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the domain name thing, know, so if it's  Susan at mama dragons homestead.com or whatever you use  when you set up the email for it, do that for sure because then you start an email list and you can market using your email list. And number two, make sure you check that email.  I have,  I did not check my email for my podcast website for like three, three months because no one ever sends me anything but spam.

35:06

And I was like, I suppose I should sign in and see if there's anything actually important in there.

35:12

There was something important in there and I can't say what is yet, but it's exciting and it's kind of a, it's kind of a minor accolade for the podcast. So I'm glad I went and checked my email, um, two months ago and went, Oh, I should probably respond to that. Well, that's awesome. So definitely check your email on your website because if you don't, you might miss something really cool. Yeah. And I want to really say, you know, thanks for reaching out to, to invite me to this. thought that was, that was really neat. And.

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uh I don't know, it felt really good to get recognized, so I appreciate it.  Oh, you're welcome. And honestly, I don't have a podcast without you guys. If I don't have people to talk to, there is no podcast.  And I also really like talking to people who are just starting because it gives people who are interested in starting kind of an idea of what it takes to get going on it.  Yeah.

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And I also like talking to people like Joel Salatin, who's been doing this forever because he knows all the things  and he was very happy to share the things with people who are trying to learn. I love that. So I'm just trying to get people to realize that you can't rely  on grocery stores and the government to take care of you. There's some skills you might want to learn that might help you out when the grocery stores  don't have what you need. m

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The government might be shut down like it is right now.  Right, right. So I'm just trying to help. All right. People can find me at a tinyhomesteadpodcast.com and please check out my Patreon. It's patreon.com slash a tiny homestead.  Susan, this was great. I hope I didn't sound terrible. You sounded great. So I'm glad you're getting over it. I appreciate it. And I hope you have a great day. You too. Thank you so much. Thanks. Bye. Bye.

 

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A Tiny HomesteadBy Mary E Lewis