Tiffany sits down with Jordan Wright and Darren Petty to explore how you actually stay human while building something that’s never existed before. Recorded live at MoneyPot, this episode is pure kinetic energy as the trio discusses founders mid-build, mid-pivot, mid-life.

They swap scars and secrets from the other side of “scale”: how to make bets that look wrong until they’re not, how to sell through chaos when your own doubts are louder, and how to rebuild trust in business partners, in teams, in yourself.

Jordan shares how Atomic bet on a credential-free future before the world was ready and what it feels like when timing finally catches up to courage. Darren unpacks how Chisel turned long-term certainty into short, high-impact sprints that prove value fast and force focus. Together, they go deep on the invisible work of leadership: forgiveness, defiance, integrity, and the audacity to keep showing up when it would be easier to quit.

If you’ve ever wondered how founders build through fear and not past it — this one’s for you.