Monsignor Michael Nazir-Ali was ordained a Catholic priest in 2021, having once been on the shortlist for appointment as the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury. Born in Pakistan, Nazir-Ali embraced Christianity in his teenage years and rose to become bishop of Raiwind and then, Rochester. He joins Mark to discuss the situation of Christians in more neglected corners of the earth, the difference between true and false ecumenism, as well as the rise of Islam in the West.